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Post by theshea on Sept 19, 2023 5:17:50 GMT -6
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Post by niklas1073 on Sept 19, 2023 6:32:59 GMT -6
How do you place the mics in stereo?
I usually track acoustic guitar in stereo. Either lcd’s or ribbon. One a few feet in front of 12th and one on the right side (45-90 deg) equal distance picking up the low end. This gives a nice balanced image of the guitar and not very prone to phase shifting. Sound wise somewhat similar to blumlein which i used a lot when i still had a blumlein ribbon. The blumlein also worked great with no phase issues.
Fixing the guitar like in the link would really kill the playing for me. I feel you have to be able to play as you normally do. The movement has to be pretty excessive in my experience to create phase issues with the mic placements I tend to go for.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 19, 2023 7:10:30 GMT -6
If phase issues are that much of a problem in your scenario, I would use Sound Radix Auto Align. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 19, 2023 7:51:59 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever had meaningful phase issues recording acoustic guitar with two mics
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Post by theshea on Sept 19, 2023 7:55:34 GMT -6
If phase issues are that much of a problem in your scenario, I would use Sound Radix Auto Align. i have melda auto align which does indeed improve phase/bass/tightness. |
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Post by theshea on Sept 19, 2023 7:57:27 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever had meaningful phase issues recording acoustic guitar with two mics i am not exeriencing big phase issues but some guitarists move their guitar quiete a bit while playing/recording. and when i use melda auto align it does improve the sound so my conclusion is that those movements do mess a bit with the phase. |
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Post by theshea on Sept 19, 2023 7:58:48 GMT -6
How do you place the mics in stereo? I usually track acoustic guitar in stereo. Either lcd’s or ribbon. One a few feet in front of 12th and one on the right side (45-90 deg) equal distance picking up the low end. This gives a nice balanced image of the guitar and not very prone to phase shifting. Sound wise somewhat similar to blumlein which i used a lot when i still had a blumlein ribbon. The blumlein also worked great with no phase issues. Fixing the guitar like in the link would really kill the playing for me. I feel you have to be able to play as you normally do. The movement has to be pretty excessive in my experience to create phase issues with the mic placements I tend to go for. yeah blumlein is great and also xy bit sticking one mic 30cm at the 12th fret and another at the bridge can cuse bit of phase issue when movint the guitar while playing/recording. |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 19, 2023 8:01:24 GMT -6
I virtually always record acoustic with one mic (SDC) for a traditional pop to rock arrangement.
If I want it as a main instrument is a solo or sparse arrangement then superior to XY imho is the use of middle and side recording.
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Post by mcirish on Sept 19, 2023 8:29:55 GMT -6
For years I did the SDC at the 12th fret and a LDC over the right shoulder. It always worked well if you find the right place for them.
Last half dozen sessions, I tried a new idea. I have a short boom stand and I put two SDC on it. I have one of those mic adapter clamps to add a second mic clip to a stand. Both mics are 8-10" out from the guitar. One at the neck/body joint and the other on the lower bout closer to the bottom of the guitar. If the player is fairly stationary, this worked quite well. I just wanted a bit more clarity than the over the shoulder gave me and I didn't want to do an XY as the stereo field is too small. I listen with headphones to find the right position for the second mic to have the fullest sound when both are panned center. Then I know the phase is good. I can then widen them with panning.
This worked well when the acoustic is the primary instrument but I didn't want it in the same center area as the vocal. I can just spread it out a little.
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Post by christopher on Sept 19, 2023 10:01:49 GMT -6
First instinct, seems overkill.
On second thought, it’s cheap and possibly an improvement for certain genres? Im thinking ones where soul and character are not important, maybe where it’s just ornamental guitar? Like say distorted rock or pop. You should try it out
Also will it damage the finish?
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Post by Oneiro on Sept 19, 2023 10:04:47 GMT -6
If you do an X-Y the opposite way, meaning along the vertical plane instead of the horizontal plane, facing up at the guitarist, you don't get the massive tonal change that happens going side to side along the guitar with X-Y the normal way. It's a different kind of sound, but it's quite nice.
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Post by theshea on Sept 19, 2023 11:13:38 GMT -6
First instinct, seems overkill. On second thought, it’s cheap and possibly an improvement for certain genres? Im thinking ones where soul and character are not important, maybe where it’s just ornamental guitar? Like say distorted rock or pop. You should try it out Also will it damage the finish? one could apply some textil on the plastic to prevent damage. |
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