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Post by plinker on Sept 13, 2023 0:17:20 GMT -6
The BLUE Mouse is a great low end mic. Not just bass and kick but cello, upright bass, the bottom of a grand piano. Another turn of the business cycle. That’s the only mic I’ve ever regretted selling. The one with the transformer.
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Post by plinker on Sept 13, 2023 7:49:23 GMT -6
Didn’t Blue previously acquire Summit Audio?
Now what happens???
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 13, 2023 8:20:06 GMT -6
We’ve got a pair of bottles at my studio with a decent selection of capsules. Those mics sound pretty darn good, though I confess they’ve fallen out of favor as our mic collection has grown. They’re also quite a nuisance to set up due to their unusual size and weight distribution.
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Post by ericn on Sept 13, 2023 10:20:07 GMT -6
I just remember the second cable was the BLUE Quad mic cable -- the one that had a green outer jacket. The song sounded completely different, and in a good way. I was floored. I did not expect that outcome, and it wasn't the ME convincing me there was a difference or anything. I heard immediately with my own ears. Total shocker to me at the time. I don't believe that cables sound differently; HOWEVER, I think Canare quad mic cable sounds better (or maybe just different) than standard cables. Perhaps the capacitance of the quad cable combined with the low level of microphone output actually changes the sound a bit (?). I don't think I'm crazy, because I have never been able to distinguish cable sound differences with instrument or line-level sources after lots and lots of A/Bing. Maybe there's an EE explanation for this. Canare does sound a bit different than most cables especially their Starquad, but it’s not really any fancy cable voodoo, it’s simply using decent copper and great shielding. What most people hear is the effect of a lower noise floor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 10:20:10 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 13, 2023 13:02:30 GMT -6
When they were made in Latvia I bought a BLUE Bottle system I had the B0, B6, B7, B8 and B1 caps. The only cap I personally liked was the B1 (the SDC cap) ironic as the Bottle body was HUGE!!
I also bought a Latvian KIWI - which was absolutely stunning.
I sold both mics and used the money to buy a Wunder CM7 (which I still love to this day)
However, I really deeply regretted selling the KIWI, it was a great mic and for me head and shoulders above a Sennheiser 87ai.
Fortunately last year I spotted a minty fresh KIWI for sale and grabbed it at an excellent price.
It's a great shame to see BLUE mics fade from existence, I think they made some very neat products.
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Post by Ward on Sept 13, 2023 13:48:56 GMT -6
However, I really deeply regretted selling the KIWI, it was a great mic and for me head and shoulders above a Sennheiser 87ai. Your thoughts are in line with mine! Many years ago, I reviewed the Kiwi and placed it being midway between a U87 and a U87ai. IYKYK! And you do know.
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Post by Ward on Sept 13, 2023 13:50:47 GMT -6
When they were made in Latvia I bought a BLUE Bottle system I had the B0, B6, B7, B8 and B1 caps. The only cap I personally liked was the B1 (the SDC cap) ironic as the Bottle body was HUGE!! I need more information . . . their own descriptions were always wanting. two requests in question form . . . 1. What can you say about each cap you had, to describe them? 2. What's the diff between a B0 and B8?
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Post by ericn on Sept 13, 2023 14:27:20 GMT -6
I doubt it, it might piss off another customer, plus they are strictly an OEM and support, no real RND or development. Logitech probably forgot all about Summit.
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Post by Ward on Sept 13, 2023 15:22:54 GMT -6
I doubt it, it might piss off another customer, plus they are strictly an OEM and support, no real RND or development. Logitech probably forgot all about Summit. Logitech, they're the trackpad people aren't they?
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 13, 2023 15:37:24 GMT -6
When they were made in Latvia I bought a BLUE Bottle system I had the B0, B6, B7, B8 and B1 caps. The only cap I personally liked was the B1 (the SDC cap) ironic as the Bottle body was HUGE!! I need more information . . . their own descriptions were always wanting. two requests in question form . . . 1. What can you say about each cap you had, to describe them? 2. What's the diff between a B0 and B8? My experience was as follows IIRC, The B0 was an edge terminated cap and had a 251 kinda vibe being extended in the lows and highs but was really, really bright and so I thought it was good for airy BV's but way to etched for my tenor vocals. The B6 was a back to back center tap cap and they said like a C12 but I never got that (as that would be edge terminated in variety) and to me was like a U67 on steroids. In fact the Bottle body has an EF86 tube in it and the B6 cap worked well with that particular style of tube but it was still too etched and bright for my vocals but I did record a few baritones on it and I thought it sounded very good, very modern. The B7 was imho simply awful, so wooly .... like a Sennheiser M147 ..... sounded like it had some cotton wool in with the cap! U47 like erh No! Epic fail imho. The B1 was a SDC and really sounded fantastic - amazing on acoustic guitar and percussion but on that huge body, crazy hard to place! I thought about keeping the B1 and using an adapter on one of my AKG 451 bodies - wish I had to be honest - silly me! The B8 was a gift from BLUE (long story) and to be honest I don't remember it sounding anything special - but I only used it a couple of times. I bought into the whole B0 = 251. B6 = C12. B7 = U47. Only to discover I'd fallen for the marketing and the caps sounded nothing like that at all. In fact the B6 on the EF86 body is essentially the basic Bottle mic and in that respect it's most like a 67 (minus the top end roll off) The KIWI uses the B6 but it's different and on the solid state KIWI it just works so well. I lost $1750 with my Bottle experience .... you live, you learn! As I said I sold the Bottle and caps and bought a Wunder Cm7 which to my ears actually sounds like and behaves like a decent U47.
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Post by Ward on Sept 13, 2023 15:51:18 GMT -6
That was a fantastic summary,. Thanks!! There were 10 capsules altogether. B0 and B8 pique my curiosity as they are both similar LDCs, supposedly.
Any thoughts on these? B2 - Figure Eight Large Diaphragm B3 - Cardioid Mid-Size Diaphragm B4 - Perspex Sphere Pressure Omni Small Diaphragm B5 - Pressure Omni Large Diaphragm
And what was the B9 supposed to be? Anyone? Bueller?
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Post by ericn on Sept 13, 2023 16:17:47 GMT -6
I doubt it, it might piss off another customer, plus they are strictly an OEM and support, no real RND or development. Logitech probably forgot all about Summit. Logitech, they're the trackpad people aren't they? Those are the guys, hence the cheap USB microphones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 16:20:58 GMT -6
It's a shame because the original blue bottle as used on Maroon 5 was a damn good mic.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2023 18:46:48 GMT -6
That was a fantastic summary,. Thanks!! There were 10 capsules altogether. B0 and B8 pique my curiosity as they are both similar LDCs, supposedly. Any thoughts on these? B2 - Figure Eight Large Diaphragm B3 - Cardioid Mid-Size Diaphragm B4 - Perspex Sphere Pressure Omni Small Diaphragm B5 - Pressure Omni Large Diaphragm And what was the B9 supposed to be? Anyone? Bueller? The B4 was their M50 style cap. I had a pair with my Bottle Rocket Stage 1s. I thought they were fantastic in the room. The B0 was really nice on my voice if I wanted a really bright pop sound. It was just too bright on a lot of other vocals. The B6 is totally like a tweaked out U67. Much more open on the top end, but really nice in some ways. It worked better on more voices than the B0. I liked the B7 on my Bottle Rocket Stage II, but it’s more mellow than the FleA 47 I tried it next to. Still, it was my 47 style mic for a while. From clips I heard I think it sounded better on the Bottle Rocket Stage II than the Bottle. I too loved the B1. I actually thought my voice sounded stellar on it, especially when I sang opera through it. The new capsules were: B9: C800G B10: M49 (sounded more like an M149 to me) B11: U67. I liked this one a lot. It was a little dark, but had that vintage 67 thing going for it. I recorded a whole EP with all vocals on it. You can hear that here: schaeburmusic.wixsite.com/voyages/media
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Post by chessparov on Sept 13, 2023 19:01:24 GMT -6
So the B11 was similar in tone to... The Max Mod on 87ai/TLM67? Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2023 19:10:34 GMT -6
So the B11 was similar in tone to... The Max Mod on 87ai/TLM67? Chris Yes.
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 13, 2023 20:48:36 GMT -6
The omni capsule was a regular favorite of mine. Not sure *which* omni cap though...I think there are two. Haven't fired it up in years, but as I recall, it was more 'omni-ish'; pretty directional in the top so you could do some interesting coincident stereo stuff with a pair of Bottles, or with a single mic, do some useful axis experimentation to tune the top few octaves of capture.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 13, 2023 23:54:36 GMT -6
That was a fantastic summary,. Thanks!! There were 10 capsules altogether. B0 and B8 pique my curiosity as they are both similar LDCs, supposedly. Any thoughts on these? B2 - Figure Eight Large Diaphragm B3 - Cardioid Mid-Size Diaphragm B4 - Perspex Sphere Pressure Omni Small Diaphragm B5 - Pressure Omni Large Diaphragm And what was the B9 supposed to be? Anyone? Bueller? I never owned those caps and so unfortunately I can't comment on them. The two stand out caps I did use were the B0 and B1 and as I said I wish I'd kept those caps and used them on a different body like an AKG SD series with an adapter. My main beef with the Bottle was, I personally didn't like it's fundamental tone coming from the large O/P transformer and EF86 tube. It had this unique slightly grainy, gritty edge that permeated into all the caps tone and was just a bit too OTT for my more conservative tastes. I don't know what it is about the KIWI but it doesn't have that sound at all and just sounds very smooth, detailed and musical perhaps it's because the B6 cap on the KIWI benefits from the KIWI being solid state? The KIWI impedance converter electronics are solid state discrete class A with a transformerless output stage. Also, imho the KIWI looks gorgeous, of every mic I've ever owned it's the best looker :-)
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 14, 2023 0:00:01 GMT -6
It's a shame because the original blue bottle as used on Maroon 5 was a damn good mic. Though I'm not a Bottle fan for my taste and vocals, I know Sting did a couple of albums with one and his voice sounded great through it. Like all mics, works on some voices not on others.
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Post by stevenlmorgan on Sept 14, 2023 5:29:50 GMT -6
I had a Kiwi and a Cactus. They were good mics with quirky designs that did not age well for me, and were sold when I bought better mics and compared results.
Kiwi sounded very clean. Cactus sound was colored and “thick”, a character mic. I have seen descriptions of Cactus as “dark”, to me, thick and saturated is a better description.
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Post by nick8801 on Sept 14, 2023 5:56:26 GMT -6
Just remembered that at one point I had a Violet Designs Garnet, which I believe was basically the Cactus mic. So, I guess I did have a Cactus at one point. I sold it because it was pretty dark and saturated. Really cool on rock vocals and small guitar amps. Kinda miss it, but it definitely wasn't worth what I paid. It could sound awesome on certain things, and absolutely terrible on others.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 14, 2023 6:18:45 GMT -6
I always liked this recording done with the Cactus. No idea what the processing is on it, but the capture is really nice.
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Post by Ward on Sept 14, 2023 7:01:54 GMT -6
I always liked this recording done with the Cactus. No idea what the processing is on it.... I can tell what wasn't used: a de-esser. Has the world gone deaf?
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Post by teejay on Sept 14, 2023 7:34:35 GMT -6
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