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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 9:15:18 GMT -6
I’m actually at Sweetwater doing a record for a couple weeks and today they pulled in some ATC 20 and 25s for me to shoot out. I really do like the 25s but I’m curious how they’ll pair with the 10s The SCM20s are more of a direct, ultra hifi replacement for NS10s. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 9:21:54 GMT -6
EDIT: I poorly asked this. What I meant was how does one move on to another speaker after years of using one type. How does anyone switch speakers or add a second pair to their rig? I don’t know if y’all remembered but I asked recently for some speaker recommendations and guess what, I’m still just on my vintage white cones. I would love something else but between being up to my ears in work, I don’t know how to slide a pair in and actually give them a real go, especially if I’m about to drop actual money on them. Help! For me it was as easy as "not listening to the old speakers for a week" and then starting fresh with the new ones. I listened to an old mix, identified the things that jumped out differently to me and then redid the mix from scratch. I'd say it really taught me what was different going through that process. I instantly noticed very different EQ moves I would do, etc. I also went from 2-ways to 3-ways which I think really, really changed how I perceived the audio. Edit: Maybe some more info would be useful.. I always had trouble with midrange translation even on decent 2-ways. I decided to move to 3-ways for this reason alone. I also created a list of requirements to try to fulfill. One major one is WIDE dispersion. I did not want narrow sweet spots. I move my head a lot and I don't want to have to sit in an exact position to hear what's *really* going on in my mix. I guess that would encompass a domed midrange and/or waveguide on the tweeter and preferably the midrange. I also wanted fabric tweeter/midrange. After years of trying metal domes/cones I came to the conclusion that I just don't like how they sound. They have too many drawbacks (high distortion in the breakup region) that require too many workarounds in the crossovers that cause more issues than the hard cones solve. I also wanted digital inputs so I could remove a conversion step out of the chain. In the end, the speaker that fulfilled my requirements was the KH310D. Mixes translated immediately. I still had some learning to do with them but for the most part it was an easy changeover. The Neumann branded monitors have a metal dome tweeter with a mesh fabric over it to try to damp the break up. It’s still a metal dome tweeter with the drastic break up. They succeed somewhat but the imd is still there. Focal did something more drastic and put magnesium in the alloy that their midrange metal tweeters are made of. Those tweeters are a little too dark. Fostex has pure magnesium tweeters and they’re weird. |
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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2023 9:36:19 GMT -6
For me it was as easy as "not listening to the old speakers for a week" and then starting fresh with the new ones. I listened to an old mix, identified the things that jumped out differently to me and then redid the mix from scratch. I'd say it really taught me what was different going through that process. I instantly noticed very different EQ moves I would do, etc. I also went from 2-ways to 3-ways which I think really, really changed how I perceived the audio. Edit: Maybe some more info would be useful.. I always had trouble with midrange translation even on decent 2-ways. I decided to move to 3-ways for this reason alone. I also created a list of requirements to try to fulfill. One major one is WIDE dispersion. I did not want narrow sweet spots. I move my head a lot and I don't want to have to sit in an exact position to hear what's *really* going on in my mix. I guess that would encompass a domed midrange and/or waveguide on the tweeter and preferably the midrange. I also wanted fabric tweeter/midrange. After years of trying metal domes/cones I came to the conclusion that I just don't like how they sound. They have too many drawbacks (high distortion in the breakup region) that require too many workarounds in the crossovers that cause more issues than the hard cones solve. I also wanted digital inputs so I could remove a conversion step out of the chain. In the end, the speaker that fulfilled my requirements was the KH310D. Mixes translated immediately. I still had some learning to do with them but for the most part it was an easy changeover. The Neumann branded monitors have a metal dome tweeter with a mesh fabric over it to try to damp the break up. It’s still a metal dome tweeter with the drastic break up. They succeed somewhat but the imd is still there. Focal did something more drastic and put magnesium in the alloy that their midrange metal tweeters are made of. Those tweeters are a little too dark. Fostex has pure magnesium tweeters and they’re weird. However they do it, it doesn't sound like a metal dome. There is no breakup node, nor the sound of the extreme filtering needed on metal domes, ala the "Amphion sound". |
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Post by sam on Sept 7, 2023 9:47:19 GMT -6
I’m actually at Sweetwater doing a record for a couple weeks and today they pulled in some ATC 20 and 25s for me to shoot out. I really do like the 25s but I’m curious how they’ll pair with the 10s The SCM20s are more of a direct, ultra hifi replacement for NS10s. This is exactly what I found. At first I was shocked at how “hi-fi” the 25s seemed, but as I kept on the 20s I realized that they are trying to pull off a modern NS10 vibe and won’t be enough of a move considering I’ll probably keep my 10s in my setup. I found myself staying on the 25s longer and longer. The only problem I found with the 25s was a bit too much sparkly top, but I was testing the mk1s. What I liked about the 20s was the top wasn’t overbearing, and supposedly the new 25s have that same tweeter implemented. I’m trying to see if they have a demo pair of mk2 25s here to try out. All that being said it’s definitely a spooky thing to go from speakers I bought for $250 CAD over ten years ago to a pair that’s north of $10k. Gotta swallow that pill slowly |
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Post by sam on Sept 7, 2023 9:48:19 GMT -6
No, just a dude. I’ve been lucky enough in my short time to have done some cool records and that’s led to some online course stuff like Nail The Mix, and then when planning a new record with the band I’m working with, they brought up Sweetwater to do it at, as SW is trying to get more modern bands through the door after redoing their whole studio. Then from there it led to “hey do you also wanna do a recording workshop after the record?” And I said hell yeah brother. The studio section is a massive playground and Shawn who runs it is an amazing dude. While I’m here they’re able to pull pretty much anything they have a demo of for me to use, so I thought I’d shoot out a few different ATCs Nice! Thank you! I’m grateful to be here doing what I love for sure |
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