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Post by nick8801 on Aug 27, 2023 18:35:56 GMT -6
Hello mics , would you consider taking on a C37 (tube) reissue? Hi All. I would certainly be interested in remaking the C37a. I do have an original and some capsules so it would be an overly difficult project to move on. capsule and transformer are quite easy to make for this mic. The circuit is also uber simple (we may even make a tweak or two to lower the noise if you want. So a few questions for you all. 1/ Would you want the mic to be traditionally made as in the mechanical omni C7 capsule or would you prefer a dual output version (so basically 2 mics in one) so you could choose the patterns either during or post capture? 2/ How many of you would want to purchase one? 3/ would you want the head grille to be perforated like the original or mesh? Let me know. thanks. 1. Either 2. Me! Well…depends on price, but I’ve always loved that mic. 3. I love the original look. Headbasket and that blueish grey color.
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Post by spindrift on Aug 27, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -6
Emmylou Harris, Wrecking Ball Bob Dylan, Oh Mercy & Time Out Of Mind Mel Blanc, Buggs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc
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C-37A on vocals
It’s one of my favorite mics.
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Post by Darren Boling on Aug 27, 2023 20:50:01 GMT -6
Emmylou Harris, Wrecking Ball Bob Dylan, Oh Mercy & Time Out Of Mind Mel Blanc, Buggs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc …. C-37A on vocals It’s one of my favorite mics. Willie Nelson - Teatro too. Seems to be one of Lanois' favorites
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Post by mics on Aug 28, 2023 7:53:15 GMT -6
Hi all, I’ve been crunching numbers, I should be able to make this as a dual output, it would look quite original and come in under 2kUSD. Thoughts?
Cheers
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 28, 2023 8:58:44 GMT -6
Hi all, I’ve been crunching numbers, I should be able to make this as a dual output, it would look quite original and come in under 2kUSD. Thoughts? Cheers Sounds like it would be in my prices range! You mentioned lowering the noise floor? I’m not sure how others feel about it but I’m all for modern improvements! A lower noise floor would be great
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Post by Darren Boling on Aug 28, 2023 9:22:46 GMT -6
I haven't tried any of the mics the op asked about but I do love a C37a, I've only used the real deal once but it was enough for me to ask Chris from Barbaric to make me a clone. The original capsule he used was good but it got especially nice when I got him a real Sony capsule to put in it. My old c38b is also really fun. I've had good luck with both on OH, piano, amps, and vocals. The c38 is also surprisingly nice on snare, maybe because it's a fairly low output? I'm mostly in Neumann land but when I do pull these out I'm always taken with the way they sound.
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Post by drumsound on Aug 28, 2023 9:41:08 GMT -6
Hi all, I’ve been crunching numbers, I should be able to make this as a dual output, it would look quite original and come in under 2kUSD. Thoughts? Cheers Do it! The other 2 clones from bigger makers are well over that price range.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2023 10:47:56 GMT -6
Eric (or any else who also knows) could you "reschool" me on the C37a/Capitol Records Era... Sinatra relationship?
My present understanding is that it was one of his main mics. Along with U48 and /44/77 Ribbons et al. Thanks, Chris
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2023 12:40:30 GMT -6
Eric (or any else who also knows) could you "reschool" me on the C37a/Capitol Records Era... Sinatra relationship? My present understanding is that it was one of his main mics. Along with U48 and /44/77 Ribbons et al. Thanks, Chris First off a lot of the Frank lore of the c37 and any mic for that matter is based on photos, the problem with this that you can’t really tell what’s a staged publicity photo’s where an art director was in charge and what was an actual session photo. Most of the stories about Frank that I have heard, and most of these pre date Universal’s move east, hey I’m a Midwest guy. The heart of this is why Puttman moved west, Frank didn’t care what mic was used, Frank just cared that it sounded good, he wasn’t easy to please but didn’t really get technical it was on the engineer of the day to make it sound good. I know there were periods where it was a 49, a C37, various RCA’s the later Capital days with the u48. A lot of this was because Frank had a reputation for not being easy to work with so it was best to run with what worked the last time, and this is how stories of “Franks mic came to be. If you were a staff guy who had a session with Frank you knew that particular 48 worked with Frank so you would run with it. I love Sony mics, and part of the reason for that is compared to AKG and Neumann other than the C800 they have been affordable. This is the same reason that back in the day the Japanese mics had a reputation of being cheap lesser mics. Those who took the chance to use them found them to be equal to the Germans. I have often been tempted to try some of the Panasonic/ National offerings to see if these also flew under the radar. The thing with all the Japanese manufactures othe than Sanken is that for every C37 there are 5 cheap consumer models, for instance look at the Fostex Printed Ribbons really hard to convince people that the guys who came up with the $200 cassette 4 track had some great mics ( and speaker components not to be confused with the Foster compression drivers). The Sonys get a bad rap because Sony pretty much could care less about supporting its old mics and a lot of those FET Sonys suffer from Sony’s not being service friendly. The cost / exclusivity of the Josephson and honestly most not knowing we had reasonable alternatives from the likes of Tim Campbell.
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Post by spindrift on Aug 28, 2023 14:08:24 GMT -6
Never trust a mic photo. In my experience, the actual mic used in the picture is only accurate about 50% of the time. There are a lot of prop shots out there.
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Post by mics on Aug 28, 2023 17:48:38 GMT -6
Hi all, I’ve been crunching numbers, I should be able to make this as a dual output, it would look quite original and come in under 2kUSD. Thoughts? Cheers Do it! The other 2 clones from bigger makers are well over that price range. Who are the “Bigger makers”?
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2023 18:19:10 GMT -6
Do it! The other 2 clones from bigger makers are well over that price range. Who are the “Bigger makers”? Don’t know if they are “ bigger”, so let’s say larger distribution, Mojave, and Tonelux.
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Post by mics on Aug 28, 2023 18:39:41 GMT -6
Who are the “Bigger makers”? Don’t know if they are “ bigger”, so let’s say larger distribution, Mojave, and Tonelux. lol. I realise this isn't a measuring contest. I just thought I might have missed something and a larger manufacturer had started to make the C37a. Realistically though, our output is likely more than both of these businesses combined. A huge chunk of our business is capsules. Our own machine shop in our own factory has made over 10,000 parts for capsules in the first 7 months of this year and counting. Add that to a couple of thousand of our own mics each year and that keeps us busy! The c37ATT would be a fun project that gives us an excuse to make another capsule! (actually 2 per mic!)
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Post by Ward on Aug 28, 2023 18:39:54 GMT -6
Hi all, I’ve been crunching numbers, I should be able to make this as a dual output, it would look quite original and come in under 2kUSD. Thoughts? Cheers Only one thought: Take my money.
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2023 19:16:37 GMT -6
Don’t know if they are “ bigger”, so let’s say larger distribution, Mojave, and Tonelux. lol. I realise this isn't a measuring contest. I just thought I might have missed something and a larger manufacturer had started to make the C37a. Realistically though, our output is likely more than both of these businesses combined. A huge chunk of our business is capsules. Our own machine shop in our own factory has made over 10,000 parts for capsules in the first 7 months of this year and counting. Add that to a couple of thousand of our own mics each year and that keeps us busy! The c37ATT would be a fun project that gives us an excuse to make another capsule! (actually 2 per mic!) Well one of them only has one mic and my hunch is to say they manufacture it is probably a stretch 😁 Oh and Ben those machining capabilities were the reason I thought of you in the first place, I can’t think of anyone else who build us a “tribute” / “ Classic” reproduction who would be capable of doing as much in house, keep the price down and deliver the quality.
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Post by mics on Aug 28, 2023 19:29:35 GMT -6
lol. I realise this isn't a measuring contest. I just thought I might have missed something and a larger manufacturer had started to make the C37a. Realistically though, our output is likely more than both of these businesses combined. A huge chunk of our business is capsules. Our own machine shop in our own factory has made over 10,000 parts for capsules in the first 7 months of this year and counting. Add that to a couple of thousand of our own mics each year and that keeps us busy! The c37ATT would be a fun project that gives us an excuse to make another capsule! (actually 2 per mic!) Well one of them only has one mic and my hunch is to say they manufacture it is probably a stretch 😁 Oh and Ben those machining capabilities were the reason I thought of you in the first place, I can’t think of anyone else who build us a “tribute” / “ Classic” reproduction who would be capable of doing as much in house, keep the price down and deliver the quality. It's nice to be here guys!!!!
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Post by winetree on Aug 28, 2023 21:08:45 GMT -6
I'd be interested in one.
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Post by recordingengineer on Aug 28, 2023 22:01:58 GMT -6
I’ll definitely take one… I may even pull a magic trick and take 2! First things first though… I have to grab a BC12A Tube in the next month or two!
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Post by drumsound on Aug 29, 2023 8:05:25 GMT -6
Do it! The other 2 clones from bigger makers are well over that price range. Who are the “Bigger makers”? Eric nailed it Tonelux and Mojave. (see below) Who are the “Bigger makers”? Don’t know if they are “ bigger”, so let’s say larger distribution, Mojave, and Tonelux. What I meant by bigger is not small shops doing basically one off type things like Barbiaric (sp?)
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2023 8:14:02 GMT -6
Who are the “Bigger makers”? Eric nailed it Tonelux and Mojave. (see below) Don’t know if they are “ bigger”, so let’s say larger distribution, Mojave, and Tonelux. What I meant by bigger is not small shops doing basically one off type things like Barbiaric (sp?) Yeah, I only latched on to the bigger because I’ll bet there are less than a 1000 Tonelux out there, of course all things being relative, I’ll bet even back in my days sold 10K units of Shure a quarter!
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Post by drumsound on Aug 29, 2023 11:55:20 GMT -6
Eric nailed it Tonelux and Mojave. (see below) What I meant by bigger is not small shops doing basically one off type things like Barbiaric (sp?) Yeah, I only latched on to the bigger because I’ll bet there are less than a 1000 Tonelux out there, of course all things being relative, I’ll bet even back in my days sold 10K units of Shure a quarter! Yeah Tonelux and Mojave are not doing those type of numbers. Hell, even here in Central IL we always had 10 57s and ten 58s in stock. Most no brainer sales ever.
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Post by kbsmoove on Aug 29, 2023 21:17:37 GMT -6
2/ How many of you would want to purchase one? I'd be in for one, for sure.
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Post by kelk on Aug 31, 2023 14:17:32 GMT -6
Count me in!
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Post by knucklehead89 on Aug 31, 2023 17:17:44 GMT -6
I just picked up the Tonelux and it is fantastic
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Post by geoff738 on Aug 13, 2024 18:13:03 GMT -6
Just a bump. I don’t think I have ever been in the same room as a C37. But they keep popping up in videos I have seen Lately. Lanois. The new David Gilmour way in the back. Etc.
So other than vocals what do these shine on ?
Cheers, Geoff
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