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Post by linas on Aug 9, 2023 20:17:24 GMT -6
Yo I have a 4m x 3.4m x 2.6m room and I would like to convert it into a music room. I don't want a cave, I want it to be a bit on a brighter side but also not white/light grey either. I have some knowledge but I haven't built any real studios. I have a friend who's an acoustician but he's always busy, he might be disappointed with me over the fact that I cancelled plans to build a huge high end control room in my dad's backyard. Anyway, soffit mounting would help with bass, I also tried looking for good ratios but I'm not really sure what I'm doing. I've started reading a couple of books but I'm not nerdy so it's going slow. Here's a drawing I made:  I will of course consult my friend in the future but I want some input from you. I'm going to build it mostly by myself. How's that plan? What would you do differently? By the way, that rectangle next to the "20 cm" thing is the space in front of the window. I want to build a wooden diffusion system in that space. I'll put a big couch in the back of the room for absorbtion. Where's parquet on the floor, I want to put something on it. Construction to support the walls and have some more absorbtion. Also, I want to lower my ceiling and fill it with something. What about the door? Would it work acoustically this way? |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 8:09:51 GMT -6
Time to take out the calculator . . .
341cm is 11.18766 feet. or 11' and 2 1/4"
400cm is 13.12336 feet or 13' and 1 1/2"
20cm is 0.65617 feet or 8"
The proportions and drawing looks good actually. turn the back wall into a shelving unit with various books, tapes, records boxes etc and you have a great diffusor. Make a fractal diffusor for your ceiling.
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 8:17:43 GMT -6
Time to take out the calculator . . . 341cm is 11.18766 feet. or 11' and 2 1/4" 400cm is 13.12336 feet or 13' and 1 1/2" 20cm is 0.65617 feet or 8" The proportions and drawing looks good actually. turn the back wall into a shelving unit with various books, tapes, records boxes etc and you have a great diffusor. Make a fractal diffusor for your ceiling. Woah, that's a great idea! I'll do that, thanks. That would also work for my video projects What is a fractal diffusor? |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 8:27:43 GMT -6
I've shared pictures before . . . let me go and find one/
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 9:51:36 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 10:51:29 GMT -6
Hey are two picture of mine. Mine is rather large, but then so is my control room at 17'W x 23'L x 10'h   |
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -6
Oh okay, I was thinking about something different but that's actually what I wanted for my studio. Looks good. Is it very heavy?
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 11:25:10 GMT -6
Oh okay, I was thinking about something different but that's actually what I wanted for my studio. Looks good. Is it very heavy? Oh yeah, it was heavy. Took 7 guys to get it in place. Build on the studio floor, out of 1x3 pine all notched out to fit together, every intersection glued and clamped and pinned together with brad nails. Then stained in pecan to match the rest of the studio. The whole thing was backplated with 3/8" spruce plywood. Hoisted to the ceiling, and 4"long #4 wood screws into the bottoms of the ceiling studs. Used the common pattern for thickness. 5" grid for the squares, and cut the foam rubber accordingly and glued them in place. It works flawlessly. The sound is controlled but not dead. |
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 11:34:54 GMT -6
Very cool.
I guess 1/4 of that would work for my place so it wouldn't be as heavy. Maybe me and my uncle would be able to lift it up
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 10, 2023 12:31:41 GMT -6
Two things:
1) proper soffit mounting is difficult and technical. It’s harder than just filling a space with insulation and cutting a rectangle for your monitors. Among other things you need to take into account the type of monitors you’re using (sealed cabinet, front ported, rear ported etc). I’d either have a acoustician design that for you or forgo it and place your monitors on stands, but still with a deep heavy cavity filled with insulation.
2) wards idea of diffuser is great but I’d add a ceiling cloud directly over the mix position
Edit: I’d think twice about fully covering that window. Windows are generally horrible acoustically, but natural light is such a benefit that I’d never build another studio without some type of natural lighting.
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 12:51:17 GMT -6
Yeah, my friend has built many studios with soffit mounted speakers in them so it will no problem, if he decides to work with me.
Yes, I don't wanna hide the window completely. I'd make shelves and put some bookson them. Some light would still come in and I could some of the view
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 13:51:36 GMT -6
Most modern active speakers are going to probably work better without the soffits, DSP is going to give you more control over the LF than soffits. Tbone81 is absolutely correct the soffits need to be designed around the specific speakers.
If there is a closet I can’t stress how useful it is to use it as a modern machine room / storage.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 10, 2023 15:31:56 GMT -6
Very cool. I guess 1/4 of that would work for my place so it wouldn't be as heavy. Maybe me and my uncle would be able to lift it up Easy to rent a sheetrock lift from Home Depot or similar place if you're outside the US. I rented one for the ceiling of my last build and will be doing that at some point for my current build. Rod Gervais book is a great resource if you don't have it. |
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 16:45:00 GMT -6
Most modern active speakers are going to probably work better without the soffits, DSP is going to give you more control over the LF than soffits. Tbone81 is absolutely correct the soffits need to be designed around the specific speakers. If there is a closet I can’t stress how useful it is to use it as a modern machine room / storage. My speakers are analog and passive. They have used this model for soffit mounting many times. My friend not only designs studios but he also designed my speakers. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 16:57:11 GMT -6
Most modern active speakers are going to probably work better without the soffits, DSP is going to give you more control over the LF than soffits. Tbone81 is absolutely correct the soffits need to be designed around the specific speakers. If there is a closet I can’t stress how useful it is to use it as a modern machine room / storage. My speakers are analog and passive. They have used this model for soffit mounting many times. My friend not only designs studios but he also designed my speakers. That my friend makes a huge difference ! If you have a speaker designed to be soffit mounted and input from the designer go for it. I have been in way to many rooms where someone just mounted the speaker of the day in soffits that “ looked cool” with all kinds of issues. |
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Post by linas on Aug 10, 2023 18:09:38 GMT -6
My speakers are analog and passive. They have used this model for soffit mounting many times. My friend not only designs studios but he also designed my speakers. That my friend makes a huge difference ! If you have a speaker designed to be soffit mounted and input from the designer go for it. I have been in way to many rooms where someone just mounted the speaker of the day in soffits that “ looked cool” with all kinds of issues. Yeah, and I want them angled and I have no idea whatsoever how to do that so my friend has to help me |
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Post by linas on Aug 11, 2023 12:08:27 GMT -6
Very cool. I guess 1/4 of that would work for my place so it wouldn't be as heavy. Maybe me and my uncle would be able to lift it up Easy to rent a sheetrock lift from Home Depot or similar place if you're outside the US. I rented one for the ceiling of my last build and will be doing that at some point for my current build. Rod Gervais book is a great resource if you don't have it. Hey thanks, I'll check out that book! Yeah, I'm actually in Eastern Europe but I guess I can find something similar in a local depo |
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