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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 9, 2023 14:31:10 GMT -6
Just curious. As we all know when tracking properly with correct levels it’s happy go lucky in the end. Now, that is not always what you get. I’m not much of a gain stager myself, i don’t tend to level it out before mixing as I usually try to take care of correct levels when tracking. But now and then you come across a mix where you feel all is going nice and smooth until you realize your mix bus is nearing the end.
What methods do you usually go by to bring it back on track. Just equally pull all faders down a couple of dB’s or really quick and dirty just drop a fader pre mixbus to bring it all down a notch or go back to square one and gain stage the mother load or other methods. What difference in outcome have you noticed with various methods?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 14:47:04 GMT -6
All modern DAWs are floating point so just lower your mix bus send fader to the master bus to not clip. I always have the mix bus be a separate track from the master bus.
Dan
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Post by seawell on Aug 9, 2023 14:57:32 GMT -6
In Pro Tools, I'll use VCA groups when this issue comes up. That way all of your volume automation doesn't get monkeyed with.
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 9, 2023 15:52:06 GMT -6
All modern DAWs are floating point so just lower your mix bus send fader to the master bus to not clip. I always have the mix bus be a separate track from the master bus. Dan Good point, never thought of it like that in technical terms. I tend to do pretty much the same. I actually run my end chain with vocalbus and bandbus going into mixbus and then to master. This to be able to add separate compression or eq to the complete vocal or band section before going i to the mixbus. This is where I tend to take it down, before the mixbus. But I guess it does pretty much exactly as you describe it. Just cam across this today and began wondering if there are better or worse way’s to go around but your point of floating point kind of answers it I guess. And doing it later in the chain ofcourse does not mess with the comp and eq behaviour in the mix…. Which has been the sole reason due lazyness for me not to go back and regain the whole mix from scratch🤣 |
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 9, 2023 16:00:41 GMT -6
In Pro Tools, I'll use VCA groups when this issue comes up. That way all of your volume automation doesn't get monkeyed with. Ok, interesting, had to look up vca groups as Ive never used that myself, and looks really neat. And as you say the automations follow. If you make a group of the whole lot of tracks, will it in other aspects, except the automation, act the same as just lowering all those faders simultaneously? Thinking in regards to feeding less into the compressions of sub mixes for example? |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 8:33:14 GMT -6
All modern DAWs are floating point so just lower your mix bus send fader to the master bus to not clip. I always have the mix bus be a separate track from the master bus. Dan in short: There's a lot of maths in the way we make music these days. Or... There's a lot of maths in the way of how we make music these days. Pick one. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 8:40:43 GMT -6
All modern DAWs are floating point so just lower your mix bus send fader to the master bus to not clip. I always have the mix bus be a separate track from the master bus. Dan in short: There's a lot of maths in the way we make music these days. Or... There's a lot of maths in the way of how we make music these days. Pick one. More like red lights bad. Stop clipping! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2023 9:55:01 GMT -6
From the early days of very noisy VCA live boards, the thing to remember about VCA groups is the “C” for Control because VCA and DCA’s are all about control, regular groups are about Sub mixes. Favorite use for a VCA group that makes you look really good live? Why the banter group, you take all your vocal processing down when the lead singer is speaking vs singing.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 10, 2023 18:29:52 GMT -6
If you’re using a Master Fader in PT, make sure to realize that the fader is PRE any inserts. If you’re working this way, you can pull down the master fader and effectively lower the input to your “bus” plugins.
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