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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 2, 2023 19:36:59 GMT -6
Any suggestions? I’ve always put K&K Pure Mimi’s in my guitars, but I’m sure things are better than they used to be. Gotta play a round unfortunately lol.
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 2, 2023 20:20:50 GMT -6
I have been searching here lately myself. I pulled the Baggs Element VST out of my gigging guitar (the hummingbird avant guard in my profile pic) as I can’t stand the duck quack. I have also tried (and still have) a tonedexter and also tried a baggs voiceprint. The IR modeling things like them ar hard to blend properly for me. Atm, I am just using a Baggs M1 active sound hole magnetic pick up and while it’s not “natural” sounding, it still sounds better than what I have tried so far.
As far as SBT pickups, a lot of people who used to be big K &K fans now use Dazzo. Baggs has one called the HiFi but it is getting mixed reviews.
In true RGO fashion, I have spent as much on trying to get a good “plugged in” acoustic guitar sound switching pickups as I would have simply buying a Maton or Cole Clark acoustic guitar that is actually built specifically for being amplified. But, what’s the fun in being smart or patient?
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Post by mcirish on Aug 2, 2023 21:01:00 GMT -6
John,if you want more info on my approach with IRs, let me know. I've never found anything that got me closer to the sound of a good mic. I'd even be willing to make you the IR. Just let me know.
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 2, 2023 21:08:56 GMT -6
John,if you want more info on my approach with IRs, let me know. I've never found anything that got me closer to the sound of a good mic. I'd even be willing to make you the IR. Just let me know. What would you do that would be different than say a Tondexter or a Baggs Voiceprint DI? I haven't been satisfied with either. |
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Post by Chad on Aug 2, 2023 21:16:15 GMT -6
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Post by Ted Swan on Aug 2, 2023 22:49:09 GMT -6
Big Big fan of the LR Baggs lyric for years now. A real microphone. And it sounds great. I'm extremely allergic to the typical piezo sound. And other variations have left me feeling like there was no space around each note.
I've used it live with stage monitors with very little feedback issues and ofcourse when used with in-ears it's smooth; no daggers to the ears.
I often use it for demoing quick idea's and it's even made it into some productions because the scratch track became the vibe and it was believable enough!
I've gone down the IR rabbit hole a bit and it's been just too difficult for me to get past the highly filtered sounds that often come back.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 2, 2023 22:52:03 GMT -6
I have some of the K&K Trinity system and it sounds very good. Classical guitarist use it as well. www.kksound.com/trinity |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 2, 2023 23:25:05 GMT -6
Couldn’t we just do external mics like the Neumann MCM and turn the monitors down?
Yeah, yeah I know. But still… why not?
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Post by mcirish on Aug 3, 2023 8:08:22 GMT -6
John,if you want more info on my approach with IRs, let me know. I've never found anything that got me closer to the sound of a good mic. I'd even be willing to make you the IR. Just let me know. What would you do that would be different than say a Tondexter or a Baggs Voiceprint DI? I haven't been satisfied with either. I think what I do is similar to ToneDexter but with more options. 1) record the instrument with a mic and DI at the same time 2) Use a matching EQ to get the DI to sound like the mic. - that's the part that you can really dive deep 3) save that EQ profile and run a sweep through it - save it as wave file 4) use Voxengo Deconvolver to remove the sweep, leaving just the IR 5) trim the IR in a wave editor 6) load into any pedal that accepts IRs - Done Maybe it's too geeky and technical for the general public. It's completely changed my live performances. I'm super happy with it. There's nothing worse than having a great instrument that sounds horrible live. I dove into this to get my Gibson Fern mandolin to sound good live. It's such an expensive instrument but no pickups every really captured the sound. I won't lie and say that the IR is "exactly" like it is with a KM84 in front of it, but it's a night and day difference from just the straight pickup. I've yet to find anything better. I play 7 different instruments in shows. Each instrument has their own custom IR that I made. This solved my tone problems. I have to use a pickup as I work in a band with drums, bass and piano. I could never get a mic loud enough to be heard. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Aug 3, 2023 12:17:23 GMT -6
I actually like the pure mini for its small footprint and great sound if you have a decent pre for it. I replaced the lr baggs recently in my j45 with it. A great deal of the upgrade in sound was getting rid of the damn piezzo killing the sound under the bridge and all the wires and batteries. The guitar just came alive acoustically after that. Played some time mic-less as i use it mainly in the studio. Installing the pure mini didn't change the acoustics at all. Paired it up with the Orange acoustic pedal pre for gigging, super happy with the combo so far.
My son uses the lr baggs M1 active while gigging and its great, allways works wherever you plug it in. But it does not really replicate the acoustics but more as throwing in a single coil in an acoustic guitar.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 3, 2023 12:52:35 GMT -6
God I hate festival DI acoustic guitar sounds.
Shudder.
I guess the only concern with IRs would be latency. They definitely help. I mixed a whole release where they didn’t mic the acoustic because they were worried about vocal bleed. Talk about messed up priorities. Oof.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2023 13:20:47 GMT -6
God I hate festival DI acoustic guitar sounds. Shudder. I guess the only concern with IRs would be latency. They definitely help. I mixed a whole release where they didn’t mic the acoustic because they were worried about vocal bleed. Talk about messed up priorities. Oof. Wait.... they were worried about the vocal bleeding into the acoustic guitar mic? So they just didn't mic it? Please tell me I read that wrong. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2023 13:26:01 GMT -6
Any suggestions? I’ve always put K&K Pure Mimi’s in my guitars, but I’m sure things are better than they used to be. Gotta play a round unfortunately lol. My experience with the Fishman AURA is that it is very convincing with the eSonic2 that came in my Epiphone Masterbilt DR-500. Off topic... that guitar is an absolute gem. Insane value at $800. Auditioned a dozen guitars with a $2k budget and just fell in love. Highly recommended for "sounds amazing and I won't have to rage on someone if they ding it." |
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Post by notneeson on Aug 3, 2023 14:38:03 GMT -6
God I hate festival DI acoustic guitar sounds. Shudder. I guess the only concern with IRs would be latency. They definitely help. I mixed a whole release where they didn’t mic the acoustic because they were worried about vocal bleed. Talk about messed up priorities. Oof. Wait.... they were worried about the vocal bleeding into the acoustic guitar mic? So they just didn't mic it? Please tell me I read that wrong. You did not read that wrong. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 3, 2023 15:37:35 GMT -6
Use a DPA4060 or 4061. Can just stick it where you want it.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2023 17:21:52 GMT -6
Use a DPA4060 or 4061. Can just stick it where you want it. How bad would this be with a band? I really want to try it but it’s a lot of money to spend to try something. Like what have if used the direct line to monitor with an amp and only sent the mic signal to the house. I guess it would pick up a lot of spill from other instruments maybe? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 3, 2023 17:31:07 GMT -6
Use a DPA4060 or 4061. Can just stick it where you want it. How bad would this be with a band? I really want to try it but it’s a lot of money to spend to try something. Like what have if used the direct line to monitor with an amp and only sent the mic signal to the house. I guess it would pick up a lot of spill from other instruments maybe? depends on where you put it. It is an omni microphone, but if its near the bridge or inside the chamber, very unlikely you're going to pick up a lot of anything else. Will you? sure. But it's all about signal to noise ratio then. It will be more likely to feedback than a DI but again, signal to noise ratio. I use them for all kinds of things and once it's really close to what you want, the bleed is pretty insignificant. 4099's are also an option(super cardioid). Just not a sleek/discrete. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2023 18:05:24 GMT -6
How bad would this be with a band? I really want to try it but it’s a lot of money to spend to try something. Like what have if used the direct line to monitor with an amp and only sent the mic signal to the house. I guess it would pick up a lot of spill from other instruments maybe? depends on where you put it. It is an omni microphone, but if its near the bridge or inside the chamber, very unlikely you're going to pick up a lot of anything else. Will you? sure. But it's all about signal to noise ratio then. It will be more likely to feedback than a DI but again, signal to noise ratio. I use them for all kinds of things and once it's really close to what you want, the bleed is pretty insignificant. 4099's are also an option(super cardioid). Just not a sleek/discrete. Ever use the Neumann MCM? Pretty much same price and I think it’s hyper cardioid (could be wrong about that.) |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 3, 2023 21:32:44 GMT -6
depends on where you put it. It is an omni microphone, but if its near the bridge or inside the chamber, very unlikely you're going to pick up a lot of anything else. Will you? sure. But it's all about signal to noise ratio then. It will be more likely to feedback than a DI but again, signal to noise ratio. I use them for all kinds of things and once it's really close to what you want, the bleed is pretty insignificant. 4099's are also an option(super cardioid). Just not a sleek/discrete. Ever use the Neumann MCM? Pretty much same price and I think it’s hyper cardioid (could be wrong about that.) I haven't. I doubt it's better than a DPA personally. I have not been a big fan of new Neumanns. Always seem to be on the harsh side. And with a DPA you always get something that's useable and often great. But that's just me. Im a pretty big fan of DPA's stuff. |
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