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Post by Quint on Jul 31, 2023 20:27:38 GMT -6
So I'm thinking about picking up an iPad to use as an additional screen where all of my plugin windows will automatically go when opened. The idea will be to have my large monitor screen directly connected over HDMI to my Mac Studio, along with my MacBook Air running over wifi as a second screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio. The iPad would then use Sidecar to act as a third screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio.
I don't need the iPad to really do anything else other than to act as a third monitor. Not that I might not end up using the iPad for other things, but the only real reason I'm considering buying an iPad at all is because I want a portable screen solution that I can place anywhere on the desk (or elsewhere) and be able to connect it over wifi.
A question I have though is, how much are the specs (memory, processor, etc.) on such an iPad going to matter? In other words, if my sole use for this iPad is to act as an additional monitor, do I need a newer, more powerful iPad to handle the processing necessary to run as an additional monitor over Sidecar (wifi), or will an older*, base level model work just fine in this application?
I'd just as soon buy an older/lower spec'ed/cheaper model if specs don't really matter in this scenario though.
*I'm aware of the minimum requirements for Sidecar:
iPadOS 13 or later
iPad Pro (all models)
iPad (6th generation) or later
iPad mini (5th generation) or later
iPad Air (3rd generation) or later
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 31, 2023 20:34:04 GMT -6
So I'm thinking about picking up an iPad to use as an additional screen where all of my plugin windows will automatically go. The idea will be to have my large monitor screen directly connected over HDMI to my Mac Studio, along with my MacBook Air running over wifi as a second screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio. The iPad would then use Sidecar to act as a third screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio. I don't need the iPad to really do anything else other than to act as a third monitor. Not that I might not end up using to for other things, but the only real reason I'm considering buying an iPad at all is because I want a portable screen solution that I can place anywhere on the desk (or elsewhere) and be able to connect it over wifi. A question I have though is, how much are the specs (memory, processor, etc.) on such an iPad going to matter? In other words, if my sole use for this iPad is to act as an additional monitor, do I need a newer, more powerful iPad to handle the processing necessary to run as an additional monitor over Sidecar (wifi), or will an older, base level model work just fine in this application? But I'd just as soon buy an older/lower spec'ed/cheaper model if specs don't really matter in this scenario. I used the lowest level iPad for this a while back, no problem. Just check the minimum specs for sidecar and you’re good. Curious though, why not just get regular monitors? |
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Post by Quint on Jul 31, 2023 20:50:54 GMT -6
So I'm thinking about picking up an iPad to use as an additional screen where all of my plugin windows will automatically go. The idea will be to have my large monitor screen directly connected over HDMI to my Mac Studio, along with my MacBook Air running over wifi as a second screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio. The iPad would then use Sidecar to act as a third screen (screen extender) for the Mac Studio. I don't need the iPad to really do anything else other than to act as a third monitor. Not that I might not end up using to for other things, but the only real reason I'm considering buying an iPad at all is because I want a portable screen solution that I can place anywhere on the desk (or elsewhere) and be able to connect it over wifi. A question I have though is, how much are the specs (memory, processor, etc.) on such an iPad going to matter? In other words, if my sole use for this iPad is to act as an additional monitor, do I need a newer, more powerful iPad to handle the processing necessary to run as an additional monitor over Sidecar (wifi), or will an older, base level model work just fine in this application? But I'd just as soon buy an older/lower spec'ed/cheaper model if specs don't really matter in this scenario. I used the lowest level iPad for this a while back, no problem. Just check the minimum specs for sidecar and you’re good. Curious though, why not just get regular monitors? I've already got a large 65" screen as my main monitor, so I don't have room for another full sized monitor anyway. Plus, I've got my MacBook Air which will work more than fine as a second monitor. So I really don't need (or even want) anything larger than an iPad, especially considering that I want to use this iPad exclusively for plugin windows. Plugin windows just aren't that big. When you say you used the lowest level iPad, which one specifically? I was considering the 6th gen iPad simply because it's the oldest (cheapest) iPad you can get that will still work with Sidecar. But I'm also interested in a 1st or 2nd gen iPad Pro because it has a larger 12.9" screen and it'd still be cheaper than newer iPad Pros. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 31, 2023 21:32:57 GMT -6
I used the lowest level iPad for this a while back, no problem. Just check the minimum specs for sidecar and you’re good. Curious though, why not just get regular monitors? I've already got a large 65" screen as my main monitor, so I don't have room for another full sized monitor anyway. Plus, I've got my MacBook Air which will work more than fine as a second monitor. So I really don't need (or even want) anything larger than an iPad, especially considering that I want to use this iPad exclusively for plugin windows. Plugin windows just aren't that big. When you say you used the lowest level iPad, which one specifically? I was considering the 6th gen iPad simply because it's the oldest (cheapest) iPad you can get that will still work with Sidecar. But I'm also interested in a 1st or 2nd gen iPad Pro because it has a larger 12.9" screen and it'd still be cheaper than newer iPad Pros. Yes that’s the one. The cheapest one they currently sell. Bought it like four years ago, works fine. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2023 8:39:19 GMT -6
How the heck do you use an iPad as an additional screen? I have to say, I've never thought about doing that but now I'm interested. especially if I can beam it to the vocal booth
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 9:59:49 GMT -6
How the heck do you use an iPad as an additional screen? I have to say, I've never thought about doing that but now I'm interested. especially if I can beam it to the vocal booth That would be a good use for what they call "sidecar". Below is the link to the explainer. The reason why I did this for a while was that, although they make small battery powered screens... they suck and they're not that much cheaper than the lower end iPads. But the other reason is that the iPad not only works as a secondary screen but it also can take interactive input. One caveat though.. input only works with an Apple pencil, not finger touch. It's cool though, you could run a second screen on an iPad to hold your plugins and then use your Apple pencil to change parameters on that without having to mouse over to the screen. I did that for a while and it worked great. I only stopped when I got Console 1 and started consolidating my "workhorse" plugins there. Anyway, lots of cool uses for Sidecar and (like most things Apple) it just works. Usually. support.apple.com/en-us/HT210380 |
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Post by Quint on Aug 1, 2023 10:47:03 GMT -6
It's cool though, you could run a second screen on an iPad to hold your plugins and then use your Apple pencil to change parameters on that without having to mouse over to the screen. I did that for a while and it worked great. I only stopped when I got Console 1 and started consolidating my "workhorse" plugins there. This is more or less what I'm wanting to do, but I'm going to use the Rocksolid Micro 3 in mouse mode to control all of my plugins. Basically the iPad would sit on a little stand or something right above/behind the Micro 3 for visual feedback and also to provide touch screen access to any plugin parameters that the Micro 3 doesn't have a knob or button for. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/products/micro-3 |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 10:48:34 GMT -6
It's cool though, you could run a second screen on an iPad to hold your plugins and then use your Apple pencil to change parameters on that without having to mouse over to the screen. I did that for a while and it worked great. I only stopped when I got Console 1 and started consolidating my "workhorse" plugins there. This is more or less what I'm wanting to do, but I'm going to use the Rocksolid Micro 3 in mouse mode to control all of my plugins. Basically the iPad would sit on a little stand or something right above/behind the Micro 3 for visual feedback and also to provide touch screen access to any plugin parameters that the Micro 3 doesn't have a knob or button for. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/products/micro-3Now that I think about it... I should do that with Console 1. Just have Console 1 sitting on my iPad screen with whatever track I'm working. How did I not think of that before? |
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Post by Quint on Aug 1, 2023 10:53:29 GMT -6
This is more or less what I'm wanting to do, but I'm going to use the Rocksolid Micro 3 in mouse mode to control all of my plugins. Basically the iPad would sit on a little stand or something right above/behind the Micro 3 for visual feedback and also to provide touch screen access to any plugin parameters that the Micro 3 doesn't have a knob or button for. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/products/micro-3Now that I think about it... I should do that with Console 1. Just have Console 1 sitting on my iPad screen with whatever track I'm working. How did I not think of that before? I also just picked up a Stream Deck XL. It's a game changer. I've only barely scratched the surface, but I've already been making macros with the aid of Keyboard Maestro to put some really useful functions on the Stream Deck. Now it's just a single button push to pull up whatever plugin is on a given insert instead of menu diving and mousing around. I'm eventually going to automate all kinds of stuff with KM macros and the buttons on SD. 2023 is kind of turning into the year of the hardware controller for me. The SSL UF1 is probably going to happen sometime soon as well. www.elgato.com/us/en/p/stream-deck-xl |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 11:16:06 GMT -6
Now that I think about it... I should do that with Console 1. Just have Console 1 sitting on my iPad screen with whatever track I'm working. How did I not think of that before? I also just picked up a Stream Deck XL. It's a game changer. I've only barely scratched the surface, but I've already been making macros with the aid of Keyboard Maestro to put some really useful functions on the Stream Deck. Now it's just a single button push to pull up whatever plugin is on a given insert instead of menu diving and mousing around. I'm eventually going to automate all kinds of stuff with KM macros and the buttons on SD. 2023 is kind of turning into the year of the hardware controller for me. The SSL UF1 is probably going to happen sometime soon as well. www.elgato.com/us/en/p/stream-deck-xlI am a hardware controller fan. I know some people say they buy this stuff and then never use it, I am the opposite. I make great use of these things. FP16 + StudioOne + Console 1 is a sick combo. If you get the stream-deck, let us know how you use it. I've been curious about getting something like this as I get more into livestreaming stuff in the studio and in rehearsal. There's a lot of clicks to go "live" that could be pretty easily "triggered" into one button. I'm kinda running out of desktop real estate though! |
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Post by Quint on Aug 1, 2023 11:20:08 GMT -6
I also just picked up a Stream Deck XL. It's a game changer. I've only barely scratched the surface, but I've already been making macros with the aid of Keyboard Maestro to put some really useful functions on the Stream Deck. Now it's just a single button push to pull up whatever plugin is on a given insert instead of menu diving and mousing around. I'm eventually going to automate all kinds of stuff with KM macros and the buttons on SD. 2023 is kind of turning into the year of the hardware controller for me. The SSL UF1 is probably going to happen sometime soon as well. www.elgato.com/us/en/p/stream-deck-xlI am a hardware controller fan. I know some people say they buy this stuff and then never use it, I am the opposite. I make great use of these things. FP16 + StudioOne + Console 1 is a sick combo. If you get the stream-deck, let us know how you use it. I've been curious about getting something like this as I get more into livestreaming stuff in the studio and in rehearsal. There's a lot of clicks to go "live" that could be pretty easily "triggered" into one button. I'm kinda running out of desktop real estate though! I've already got the Stream Deck. Had it for a few days now. It's awesome. That's what I was talking about in my previous post. They have a free version you can try out on your mobile device, if you want. Granted, it won't have the physical buttons of the real deal, but it might give you a taste. There's a whole ecosystem around Stream Deck. Keyboard Maestro, Soundflow, direct (or 3rd party) integration with various DAWs, MCU and Midi capabilities, etc. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 11:21:14 GMT -6
I am a hardware controller fan. I know some people say they buy this stuff and then never use it, I am the opposite. I make great use of these things. FP16 + StudioOne + Console 1 is a sick combo. If you get the stream-deck, let us know how you use it. I've been curious about getting something like this as I get more into livestreaming stuff in the studio and in rehearsal. There's a lot of clicks to go "live" that could be pretty easily "triggered" into one button. I'm kinda running out of desktop real estate though! I've already got the Stream Deck. Had it for a few days now. It's awesome. That's what I was talking about in my previous post. Oh I see... totally misread that. What triggers have you set up? All the examples seem to be dudes playing Minecraft. I know it's way more powerful than that though. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 1, 2023 11:26:17 GMT -6
I've already got the Stream Deck. Had it for a few days now. It's awesome. That's what I was talking about in my previous post. Oh I see... totally misread that. What triggers have you set up? All the examples seem to be dudes playing Minecraft. I know it's way more powerful than that though. They have a free version you can try out on your mobile device, if you want. Granted, it won't have the physical buttons of the real deal, but it might give you a taste. There's a whole ecosystem around Stream Deck. Keyboard Maestro, Soundflow, direct (or 3rd party) integration with various DAWs, MCU and Midi capabilities, etc. SD natively already supports keystroke commands, hot keys, etc. But when combined with something like Keyboard Maestro, you can set up macros that can do basically anything that a mouse/keyboard can do. So it basically can do anything. If there's any menu diving or mousing around that you hate, KM can eliminate that. I personally have already made single button access to each insert in Luna. It's so easy to just hit one button to pull up a plugin in a given slot on whatever channel I have selected. I'm also going to further automate that to have that same single button push open those plugins up on the iPad so that I don't ever again have to do the whole "take the mouse and move the plugin out of the way" thing. I'd look up video searches for Stream Deck and DAW or Stream Deck and Reaper (you use Reaper now, right)? Given the tweakability of Reaper, I suspect there is probably more things you can natively do with Reaper and SD than any other DAW. This guy can get a little cringe sometimes, but this video does a decent job of showing what SD can do. He also uses Reaper. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2023 11:36:16 GMT -6
How the heck do you use an iPad as an additional screen? I have to say, I've never thought about doing that but now I'm interested. especially if I can beam it to the vocal booth That would be a good use for what they call "sidecar". Below is the link to the explainer. The reason why I did this for a while was that, although they make small battery powered screens... they suck and they're not that much cheaper than the lower end iPads. But the other reason is that the iPad not only works as a secondary screen but it also can take interactive input. One caveat though.. input only works with an Apple pencil, not finger touch. It's cool though, you could run a second screen on an iPad to hold your plugins and then use your Apple pencil to change parameters on that without having to mouse over to the screen. I did that for a while and it worked great. I only stopped when I got Console 1 and started consolidating my "workhorse" plugins there. Anyway, lots of cool uses for Sidecar and (like most things Apple) it just works. Usually. support.apple.com/en-us/HT210380Thank you. I'm heading down the rabbit hole, directly. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 11:46:33 GMT -6
Oh I see... totally misread that. What triggers have you set up? All the examples seem to be dudes playing Minecraft. I know it's way more powerful than that though. I'd look up video searches for Stream Deck and DAW or Stream Deck and Reaper (you use Reaper now, right)? I've become a two DAW guy. I'm using Studio One for all my mixing and sketches, but using Reaper for livestreaming and remote recording due to its lightweight tech. I just can't get used to the editing in Reaper. I'm 5x faster in Studio One even after months of Reaper. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 1, 2023 12:29:20 GMT -6
I'd look up video searches for Stream Deck and DAW or Stream Deck and Reaper (you use Reaper now, right)? I've become a two DAW guy. I'm using Studio One for all my mixing and sketches, but using Reaper for livestreaming and remote recording due to its lightweight tech. I just can't get used to the editing in Reaper. I'm 5x faster in Studio One even after months of Reaper. So the Micro 3 just showed up at my door. I've played around with it for a bit and it's awesome. I hit the button on the SD for Insert 1, the plugin in Insert 1 in Luna pops up, and I can immediately start turning knobs on the Micro 3 to make changes to that plugin. Hit the Insert 1 button on the SD again, and the plugin closes. Hit the Insert 2 button on the SD, and the plugin in Insert 2 in Luna pops up. I can immediately start turning knobs for that plugin. Hit the Insert 2 button and the plugin goes away. If I want to do the same thing on a different channel, I would just scroll over with the SSL UF1 (when I get it) and select that channel, at which point I could do the same thing all over again. Not once during that entire sequence did I touch the mouse. Not once. The SD handles all of the mousing around to get the plugin open, and the Micro 3 takes care of manipulating the plugin itself. Then the SD closes the plugin for me again. Once I get the SSL UF1/UF8 over here, that will take care of transport, faders, record arm, mute, solo, track select, etc. I don't think I'm going to be hardly touching the mouse at all anymore, other than during editing. I'll also add that one big benefit of the Micro 3 over Console 1 is that with Console 1 you can only control Softube and some UAD plugins. With Micro 3, you can control basically any plugin out there. For $325, it's pretty slick. Now if I can just pick an iPad to set behind the Micro 3, this is going to be a pretty great setup. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2023 18:31:42 GMT -6
I'd look up video searches for Stream Deck and DAW or Stream Deck and Reaper (you use Reaper now, right)? I've become a two DAW guy. I'm using Studio One for all my mixing and sketches, but using Reaper for livestreaming and remote recording due to its lightweight tech. I just can't get used to the editing in Reaper. I'm 5x faster in Studio One even after months of Reaper. I'm also a two DAW guy, at the same time. Pro Tools on a Mac Pro for most audio, Logic on an iMac for synths, sweetening, samples, tuning and timing flex - which I like better than Antares |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 4, 2023 2:28:03 GMT -6
I used the lowest level iPad for this a while back, no problem. Just check the minimum specs for sidecar and you’re good. Curious though, why not just get regular monitors? I've already got a large 65" screen as my main monitor, so I don't have room for another full sized monitor anyway. Plus, I've got my MacBook Air which will work more than fine as a second monitor. So I really don't need (or even want) anything larger than an iPad, especially considering that I want to use this iPad exclusively for plugin windows. Plugin windows just aren't that big. When you say you used the lowest level iPad, which one specifically? I was considering the 6th gen iPad simply because it's the oldest (cheapest) iPad you can get that will still work with Sidecar. But I'm also interested in a 1st or 2nd gen iPad Pro because it has a larger 12.9" screen and it'd still be cheaper than newer iPad Pros. Oh my gosh …. a 65” screen!! I don’t how you can do that, isn’t that like being permanently in front of a TV. That’s so much artificial light! I resent my single 24” monitor and I have a short cut key for a blank screen saver I can activate to try to keep the blinking thing off as much a possible. My hearing is so focused with absolute minimal visual distraction. When I read posts like yours, I start to think maybe I’m the odd one out and have a unique aversion to screens. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 9, 2023 7:35:27 GMT -6
I've already got a large 65" screen as my main monitor, so I don't have room for another full sized monitor anyway. Plus, I've got my MacBook Air which will work more than fine as a second monitor. So I really don't need (or even want) anything larger than an iPad, especially considering that I want to use this iPad exclusively for plugin windows. Plugin windows just aren't that big. When you say you used the lowest level iPad, which one specifically? I was considering the 6th gen iPad simply because it's the oldest (cheapest) iPad you can get that will still work with Sidecar. But I'm also interested in a 1st or 2nd gen iPad Pro because it has a larger 12.9" screen and it'd still be cheaper than newer iPad Pros. Oh my gosh …. a 65” screen!! I don’t how you can do that, isn’t that like being permanently in front of a TV. That’s so much artificial light! I resent my single 24” monitor and I have a short cut key for a blank screen saver I can activate to try to keep the blinking thing off as much a possible. My hearing is so focused with absolute minimal visual distraction. When I read posts like yours, I start to think maybe I’m the odd one out and have a unique aversion to screens. Granted, the 65" screen is behind a console and probably 6(?) feet away from me. That's my "main" screen connected to my Mac Studio, but I use a MacBook off to the side as a mirrored screen and probably use the MacBook screen more than I use the 65" screen. So it's not like I couldn't turn off the 65" screen if I wanted to, in which case it'd just be the MacBook that was projecting light. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 9, 2023 7:43:12 GMT -6
I think I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a previous generation iPad Pro 12.9", however I do have another question that I'm having trouble getting a concrete answer on.
I'm running one monitor off of my Mac Studio via HDMI, and also screen sharing/mirroring to my MacBook as a second monitor over wifi, can I also run an iPad using Sidecar (wirelessly or wired) as a third monitor?
I know that what I'm doing right now works with the MacBook connecting over wifi, but I wasn't sure if the Mac Studio could connect wirelessly to two monitors at the same time, if I were to add an iPad into the mix?
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It'd still be nice to get some confirmation from somebody here who has successfully done this but, according to AppleCare, I should be able to do this. The only thing that gives me pause is that, when I talked with them on the phone earlier, the first guy didn't seem super confident in his answers and, then when he passed me off to his supervisor, the supervisor didn't exactly inspire confidence either. I explained it to him multiple times, but he still seemed like he maybe didn't get it. He just emailed a link to a generic Apple page about Sidecar, that doesn't at all address my questions about using two monitors wirelessly at once. What is it im paying for with Apple Care?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 9, 2023 13:26:56 GMT -6
I think I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a previous generation iPad Pro 12.9", however I do have another question that I'm having trouble getting a concrete answer on. I'm running one monitor off of my Mac Studio via HDMI, and also screen sharing/mirroring to my MacBook as a second monitor over wifi, can I also run an iPad using Sidecar (wirelessly or wired) as a third monitor? I know that what I'm doing right now works with the MacBook connecting over wifi, but I wasn't sure if the Mac Studio could connect wirelessly to two monitors at the same time, if I were to add an iPad into the mix? Edit: It'd still be nice to get some confirmation from somebody here who has successfully done this but, according to AppleCare, I should be able to do this. The only thing that gives me pause is that, when I talked with them on the phone earlier, the first guy didn't seem super confident in his answers and, then when he passed me off to his supervisor, the supervisor didn't exactly inspire confidence either. I explained it to him multiple times, but he still seemed like he maybe didn't get it. He just emailed a link to a generic Apple page about Sidecar, that doesn't at all address my questions about using two monitors wirelessly at once. What is it im paying for with Apple Care? I've never run that many monitors, but I can give the thumbs up on the previous gen 12.9" iPad. I picked one up this spring and it's pretty sweet. I use it for video and photo editing because the screen is 10x better than any monitor I could afford. I wouldn't say the render times are comparable to what you'd get with your Mac Studio, but they're shockingly good. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 9, 2023 21:16:11 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 10, 2023 9:35:30 GMT -6
Yep, I got 1TB + Cellular for a (relative) song. Like $800 under the cost of the current comparable model as I recall. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 10, 2023 10:15:33 GMT -6
Yep, I got 1TB + Cellular for a (relative) song. Like $800 under the cost of the current comparable model as I recall. Yeah, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the 2tb one for $999 (the 1tb was $979 and the 128gb was $859). It's way more storage than I need (at least for now) but it was kind of a stupid price, and not much more than the base model with 128gb, so what the hell. I was looking at refurbished models initially, but they were basically the same price or not much less unless it was beat to hell, and with less storage, so I just resigned myself to spending the money on a new, more recent model that hopefully will be supported for a lot longer, since the 5th gen model that I bought does have the M1 chip and thunderbolt. The 4th gen iPad Pro doesn't have the M1 chip, and I suspect that will be an eventual cleave point where Apple decides to drop off support at some point down the road. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 10, 2023 10:44:47 GMT -6
Yep, I got 1TB + Cellular for a (relative) song. Like $800 under the cost of the current comparable model as I recall. Yeah, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the 2tb one for $999 (the 1tb was $979 and the 128gb was $859). It's way more storage than I need (at least for now) but it was kind of a stupid price, and not much more than the base model with 128gb, so what the hell. I was looking at refurbished models initially, but they were basically the same price or not much less unless it was beat to hell, and with less storage, so I just resigned myself to spending the money on a new, more recent model that hopefully will be supported for a lot longer, since the 5th gen model that I bought does have the M1 chip and thunderbolt. The 4th gen iPad Pro doesn't have the M1 chip, and I suspect that will be an eventual cleave point where Apple decides to drop off support at some point down the road. Wow, that's insane. I think I paid $1199 for the 1TB + Cell back in March and thought that was a great deal! Yours is a total no-brainer. I wonder why they're having trouble moving these? They're fantastic devices. I wonder if they're just rolling out the chip upgrades too fast and devaluing the previous products. Reality is I don't think M1 all that different from M2, especially for an iPad. My guess is that the Apple buyers were so shocked by the huge leap from Intel to M1 that now they all think each new upgrade is the same type of leap. Just a guess. |
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