Post by bob on Jul 30, 2023 3:02:38 GMT -6
Hi,
I’m pretty confused about a few things, I was wondering if you guys could help clear up a few things for me. Sorry for the ramble…
I have just finished installing one of the nicer LFAC’s around. It cost A LOT and funds are totally depleted, so I need to pick my next moves pretty carefully..
I have a beefy intel MacBook Pro that works great with anything I throw at it so far, but I’ll move to Apple silicone in time for sure..
I have been running a 1st gen Antelope Orion 32 for years. It has actually worked really well for me on two or three generations of macs, and other than the psu needing replacement (caps cooked?), my antelope experience has been good. All indications point towards any eventual Apple silicone drivers(antelope drivers for their stuff seem to be stuck running on Apple silicone in rosetta mode for now.. surely this will need to be remedied in time..) will not support the older interfaces like mine on Apple silicone. So even without changing anything other than getting a new Mac, I’d need to either change converters, or get something like RME’s madi to usb interface, and use the Orion as a “dumb” analogue<>madi interface.
At this point I should say that I don’t have any issues with the quality of the Orion’s conversion. I’m definitely not ready to go the burl route for the time being..
So…
My daw of choice has always been logic, I’ve been deep into it for over 20 years+
My “other” job is production sound recording for film and tv, and I occasionally take on smaller projects in post. These have been ads or short films, and I’ve managed to work relatively happily in logic. There are annoyances - aaf import from avid, resolve and premiere pro have been buggy and less than perfect.
So…
I very soon need to add another 32 I/o to my setup, to get 64 I/o into daw. My console is 48 channels, I mix with loads of outboard on inserts, but I am going to try my damndest to use plugins for my board sends. The ease of recall is very appealing to me. I intend to print all channels post-fade once I’m done with a mix, so I hope to avoid having to note down patchbay and outboard settings when saving a mix, and just store the tr of the console cos that’s quick(should I need it).
The idea being that I should be able to bring up the printed post-fade end-of-mix printed tracks and just play it back on the zero’d out console, making only the tweaks required for the changes..
So 48 channels + 8 auxes + 8 mix outs/busses/whatever and 64 seems like the magic number. Not too few; not too many..
Should it be a matter of simply adding another 32 I/o for logic I’d just get a new-gen Orion 32+ and run my old converters into it as a slave over madi+wordclock, then have the 32+ interface with my computer over usb3/thunderbolt.
Worst case scenario I could always eventually get an RME madi interface and run all 64i/o into the computer with that. Heck I’m even considering buying an old Orion 32 like my one and running them both into an RME card over madi…
My conundrum starts here:
I don’t like protools, but with the facility I’m running I definitely need to have some compatibility with it. A lot of my clients and the ecosystem I work in is totally pro-tools and it‘s getting to the point where I’m going to need to bite the bullet and get me a copy.
The first question is not really too hard to figure out.. do I go studio or ultimate.. I’d cheap out and go studio, but will need to jump to ultimate if I end up doing more film post-production work.. field recorder compatibility, multiple videos seem to be the main sellers for me on the software side
The bigger question I have, and the reason for subjecting you to this ramble(thanks for sticking with me this far) is that I really don’t know it I’m going to want to run an HDX card/s going forward.
My desk is nice, my studio isn’t sized that I anticipate needing to make tons of separate headphone mixes(I can do six on the board quite happily). I don’t use tons of software instruments in my productions, and I don’t think I’m going to needing to use delay compensated hw inserts on itb mixes… if I’m using hardware I’ll be using the desk..
Okok, coming to the end now. I hope I’ve given enough context.
I THINK I’ll be good to work native; over usb 3 with either the orion32+ or RME interfaces, getting 64 I/o to the daw
The question is, should I get converters (such as antelope’s Galaxy 32) which have digilink ports, which would allow me to use the two boxes (Galaxy 32+orion32) direct into an hdx card.
If I know that I don’t need to go the hdx route then I’d go for the cheaper converters and stick with usb3
If I get the non-digilink option I’d need to add an hd madi to the hdx, which would end up costing even more down the line..
So…
Do I need to go hdx?
If running not avid hw over usb3/thunderbolt will I be able to do anything I should need to in logic as well as eventually protools studio or ultimate?
Sorry again for the ramble but I had a lot of explaining to do
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I’m really confused about how to move forward
Bob
I’m pretty confused about a few things, I was wondering if you guys could help clear up a few things for me. Sorry for the ramble…
I have just finished installing one of the nicer LFAC’s around. It cost A LOT and funds are totally depleted, so I need to pick my next moves pretty carefully..
I have a beefy intel MacBook Pro that works great with anything I throw at it so far, but I’ll move to Apple silicone in time for sure..
I have been running a 1st gen Antelope Orion 32 for years. It has actually worked really well for me on two or three generations of macs, and other than the psu needing replacement (caps cooked?), my antelope experience has been good. All indications point towards any eventual Apple silicone drivers(antelope drivers for their stuff seem to be stuck running on Apple silicone in rosetta mode for now.. surely this will need to be remedied in time..) will not support the older interfaces like mine on Apple silicone. So even without changing anything other than getting a new Mac, I’d need to either change converters, or get something like RME’s madi to usb interface, and use the Orion as a “dumb” analogue<>madi interface.
At this point I should say that I don’t have any issues with the quality of the Orion’s conversion. I’m definitely not ready to go the burl route for the time being..
So…
My daw of choice has always been logic, I’ve been deep into it for over 20 years+
My “other” job is production sound recording for film and tv, and I occasionally take on smaller projects in post. These have been ads or short films, and I’ve managed to work relatively happily in logic. There are annoyances - aaf import from avid, resolve and premiere pro have been buggy and less than perfect.
So…
I very soon need to add another 32 I/o to my setup, to get 64 I/o into daw. My console is 48 channels, I mix with loads of outboard on inserts, but I am going to try my damndest to use plugins for my board sends. The ease of recall is very appealing to me. I intend to print all channels post-fade once I’m done with a mix, so I hope to avoid having to note down patchbay and outboard settings when saving a mix, and just store the tr of the console cos that’s quick(should I need it).
The idea being that I should be able to bring up the printed post-fade end-of-mix printed tracks and just play it back on the zero’d out console, making only the tweaks required for the changes..
So 48 channels + 8 auxes + 8 mix outs/busses/whatever and 64 seems like the magic number. Not too few; not too many..
Should it be a matter of simply adding another 32 I/o for logic I’d just get a new-gen Orion 32+ and run my old converters into it as a slave over madi+wordclock, then have the 32+ interface with my computer over usb3/thunderbolt.
Worst case scenario I could always eventually get an RME madi interface and run all 64i/o into the computer with that. Heck I’m even considering buying an old Orion 32 like my one and running them both into an RME card over madi…
My conundrum starts here:
I don’t like protools, but with the facility I’m running I definitely need to have some compatibility with it. A lot of my clients and the ecosystem I work in is totally pro-tools and it‘s getting to the point where I’m going to need to bite the bullet and get me a copy.
The first question is not really too hard to figure out.. do I go studio or ultimate.. I’d cheap out and go studio, but will need to jump to ultimate if I end up doing more film post-production work.. field recorder compatibility, multiple videos seem to be the main sellers for me on the software side
The bigger question I have, and the reason for subjecting you to this ramble(thanks for sticking with me this far) is that I really don’t know it I’m going to want to run an HDX card/s going forward.
My desk is nice, my studio isn’t sized that I anticipate needing to make tons of separate headphone mixes(I can do six on the board quite happily). I don’t use tons of software instruments in my productions, and I don’t think I’m going to needing to use delay compensated hw inserts on itb mixes… if I’m using hardware I’ll be using the desk..
Okok, coming to the end now. I hope I’ve given enough context.
I THINK I’ll be good to work native; over usb 3 with either the orion32+ or RME interfaces, getting 64 I/o to the daw
The question is, should I get converters (such as antelope’s Galaxy 32) which have digilink ports, which would allow me to use the two boxes (Galaxy 32+orion32) direct into an hdx card.
If I know that I don’t need to go the hdx route then I’d go for the cheaper converters and stick with usb3
If I get the non-digilink option I’d need to add an hd madi to the hdx, which would end up costing even more down the line..
So…
Do I need to go hdx?
If running not avid hw over usb3/thunderbolt will I be able to do anything I should need to in logic as well as eventually protools studio or ultimate?
Sorry again for the ramble but I had a lot of explaining to do
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I’m really confused about how to move forward
Bob
