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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 28, 2023 15:37:54 GMT -6
Anyone have one that they use? A Google search turned up surprisingly empty on this. I can build it from scratch of course but if someone has something they can share that would be awesome.
Just looking for a way to track and plan various signal path schemes. Right now I do it in "Notes" on my phone/laptop and in physical notebooks. But there's gotta be a smarter way.
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Post by ericn on Jul 28, 2023 20:50:51 GMT -6
I find it easiest to use good old fashioned graph paper, it’s just the easiest to deal with ever changing set ups.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 28, 2023 21:01:01 GMT -6
Didn’t Audioscape give a free year subscription to a place that had a way of doing this ? Patchrat app patchrat.com/
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 28, 2023 21:44:25 GMT -6
What do you mean routing?
I have a Google sheet i use for gigs that tracks the songs, takes, takes by lyrics, microphones used, and what bus they went to and what channel they are patched to.
Have another for work thats to track our patching from the hall, to the patch panels, to the mic pres.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 28, 2023 22:58:11 GMT -6
What do you mean routing? I have a Google sheet i use for gigs that tracks the songs, takes, takes by lyrics, microphones used, and what bus they went to and what channel they are patched to. Have another for work thats to track our patching from the hall, to the patch panels, to the mic pres. Kinda like that. I guess I'm picturing something like what Audioscape endorses outboard recall except for the entire signal path. Like a way to drag and drop various patching options and stuff. Maybe a tool like this could be useful. www.lucidchart.com/I've used that for making complicated organizational charts for my day job. It could be cool to have every piece of gear and every cable and every single physical and virtual thing available and then just drag them around to experiment with different ways of organizing it.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2023 1:51:06 GMT -6
What do you mean routing? I have a Google sheet i use for gigs that tracks the songs, takes, takes by lyrics, microphones used, and what bus they went to and what channel they are patched to. Have another for work thats to track our patching from the hall, to the patch panels, to the mic pres. Kinda like that. I guess I'm picturing something like what Audioscape endorses outboard recall except for the entire signal path. Like a way to drag and drop various patching options and stuff. Maybe a tool like this could be useful. www.lucidchart.com/I've used that for making complicated organizational charts for my day job. It could be cool to have every piece of gear and every cable and every single physical and virtual thing available and then just drag them around to experiment with different ways of organizing it. I mean go for it. I don't see the point of full signal chain routing like that. But certainly session recall notes are very important. The more gear you use the bigger the notes become and more of a pain it all becomes. Price to pay to play with analog stuff. Console recall notes are always a pain. Google draw is free and can probably come up with something similar. I find my spreadsheet and using Session Recall App is good enough for me. Because most everything else is in the DAW anyways.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 29, 2023 7:48:54 GMT -6
I'll have four patchbays in my new setup so I laid the whole thing out in Adobe Illustrator just to make sure the full-normaled paths were doable and to plan for things that need opposite travel (where snakes won't work).
Probably similar to the lucid chart approach. Either way it helps to get your head around how things are going to wire up in your studio.
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Post by ninworks on Jul 29, 2023 8:41:21 GMT -6
I have an Excel spreadsheet I made for keeping track of my patch bays. I have 3 of them so there's a lot of cabling terminating there. I color coded all of the multi-conductor snake cables and used shrink tubing to color code each individual channel input and output. I have all that info color coded onto each point in the patch bay. I have no repeating color codes on any of the wires. It required banding more than a single color on each cable so I could keep them straight. I made the spreadsheet before I ever started making cables. I even documented the internal color coding of the + and - conductors inside the individual channel wires. Then I used that for reference when making and connecting the cables. As a result of a lot of planning and documentation, everything worked the first time I plugged everything in. If/when I have to do any reconfiguring or troubleshooting I can go to the spreadsheet and find the color codes and trace the connections by looking at the shrink tube colors at the ends. That eliminates a lot of confusion. The spreadsheet looks like a mess but it makes sense to me. I even made extensive notes at the bottom of it so I could figure out how many, and what types of plugs I would need. That way I would have everything ready when I started soldering. I also had all the colors of shrink tubing I have and all the ones that are/were already used so there would be no duplicates. Here's what it looks like. This just the patch points. All of the notes are further down on the page. i.postimg.cc/wjjvpkL1/Patch-Bay-Spreadsheet-Image.jpg
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Post by ericn on Jul 29, 2023 10:24:43 GMT -6
What do you mean routing? I have a Google sheet i use for gigs that tracks the songs, takes, takes by lyrics, microphones used, and what bus they went to and what channel they are patched to. Have another for work thats to track our patching from the hall, to the patch panels, to the mic pres. Kinda like that. I guess I'm picturing something like what Audioscape endorses outboard recall except for the entire signal path. Like a way to drag and drop various patching options and stuff. Maybe a tool like this could be useful. www.lucidchart.com/I've used that for making complicated organizational charts for my day job. It could be cool to have every piece of gear and every cable and every single physical and virtual thing available and then just drag them around to experiment with different ways of organizing it. I stuck with good old graph paper because during the actual session or gig my changes can’t get in front of the gig. A simple explanation of a code of what is patched in a box is damn quick. Having the correct information is what this is all about.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 29, 2023 14:56:30 GMT -6
I'll have four patchbays in my new setup so I laid the whole thing out in Adobe Illustrator just to make sure the full-normaled paths were doable and to plan for things that need opposite travel (where snakes won't work). Probably similar to the lucid chart approach. Either way it helps to get your head around how things are going to wire up in your studio. Exactly the type of thing I'm thinking about. So I can figure out chains before I actually crawl under my desk or pull out all my racks.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 29, 2023 14:57:54 GMT -6
I have an Excel spreadsheet I made for keeping track of my patch bays. I have 3 of them so there's a lot of cabling terminating there. I color coded all of the multi-conductor snake cables and used shrink tubing to color code each individual channel input and output. I have all that info color coded onto each point in the patch bay. I have no repeating color codes on any of the wires. It required banding more than a single color on each cable so I could keep them straight. I made the spreadsheet before I ever started making cables. I even documented the internal color coding of the + and - conductors inside the individual channel wires. Then I used that for reference when making and connecting the cables. As a result of a lot of planning and documentation, everything worked the first time I plugged everything in. If/when I have to do any reconfiguring or troubleshooting I can go to the spreadsheet and find the color codes and trace the connections by looking at the shrink tube colors at the ends. That eliminates a lot of confusion. The spreadsheet looks like a mess but it makes sense to me. I even made extensive notes at the bottom of it so I could figure out how many, and what types of plugs I would need. That way I would have everything ready when I started soldering. I also had all the colors of shrink tubing I have and all the ones that are/were already used so there would be no duplicates. Here's what it looks like. This just the patch points. All of the notes are further down on the page. i.postimg.cc/wjjvpkL1/Patch-Bay-Spreadsheet-Image.jpgAgain, this is what I'm thinking. This is something I can copy potentially or at least learn from. I expected to see templates for this type of thing on a search. I would think this type of thing would be fairly common in production houses of all types, not just music studios. Common enough for someone to have posted some point and click and drag and drop ways to look at it. I guess not.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2023 16:46:17 GMT -6
I have an Excel spreadsheet I made for keeping track of my patch bays. I have 3 of them so there's a lot of cabling terminating there. I color coded all of the multi-conductor snake cables and used shrink tubing to color code each individual channel input and output. I have all that info color coded onto each point in the patch bay. I have no repeating color codes on any of the wires. It required banding more than a single color on each cable so I could keep them straight. I made the spreadsheet before I ever started making cables. I even documented the internal color coding of the + and - conductors inside the individual channel wires. Then I used that for reference when making and connecting the cables. As a result of a lot of planning and documentation, everything worked the first time I plugged everything in. If/when I have to do any reconfiguring or troubleshooting I can go to the spreadsheet and find the color codes and trace the connections by looking at the shrink tube colors at the ends. That eliminates a lot of confusion. The spreadsheet looks like a mess but it makes sense to me. I even made extensive notes at the bottom of it so I could figure out how many, and what types of plugs I would need. That way I would have everything ready when I started soldering. I also had all the colors of shrink tubing I have and all the ones that are/were already used so there would be no duplicates. Here's what it looks like. This just the patch points. All of the notes are further down on the page. i.postimg.cc/wjjvpkL1/Patch-Bay-Spreadsheet-Image.jpgso i have this too but to make my patch bay labels. Do you use this for each song you mix/record somehow?
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Post by ninworks on Jul 29, 2023 20:39:26 GMT -6
Those are just patch points in the patch bays. I keep all of my analog hardware patched into the I/O of the Focusrite OctoPre and the RME interface via the patch bays. The RME Total Mix software that comes as a part of the driver is where I do all, or most, of my routing. I seldom have to re-patch anything unless I'm trying to do something in a specific way that can't be rerouted in the software. As of yet, I haven't found anything I had to manually change.
I don't have or really need any labels on my patch bays. Since most everything is always patched in and rerouteable in the software it's never necessary to re-patch anything. My I/O configuration is stored in the Pro Tools session for each individual song. All I have to do is turn knobs and push buttons on the hardware. All of the I/O settings are recalled automatically with the session files.
I keep a shortcut to this spreadsheet on my desktop just in case I need to access something and don't know where it is in the patch bays. If I need it, it's handy enough to get to quickly.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 30, 2023 1:08:40 GMT -6
Tracking Signal Flow.pdf (113.89 KB) Not sure if this link will work, but I took a hack at this with LucidChart. This is an attempt to route my tracking plan for these live in the studio recordings running through a 24 channel board (representing in the middle but not labeled). I have to say, it was cool being able to drag boxes around and have the connections follow them. Fun exercise. EDIT: I can never figure out how to get images to display
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Post by christophert on Jul 30, 2023 1:32:07 GMT -6
I have a simple paper spreadsheet with patch panel / inst / mic / preamp / eq-comp / tape / PT input. I also write in the notes section of ProTools to know what I used, and take photos of hardware if I am doing anything tricky. The paper spreadsheet is to pass on info to my assistants so they can learn what I do - and they also make spreadsheets / so others (and I) can learn from them. We keep every spreadsheet. Knowledge is shared !
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Post by paulnajar on Jul 30, 2023 3:40:57 GMT -6
For tracking I use a simple spreadsheet that maps mic’s to studio patch panel and then to pre inputs.
For mixing I take phone photos of all analog devices and my patchbay and I store those photos in a handy free AU plugin called Snapshot by Non Lethal Applications. All it does is store photos inside the actual plugin within the session.
I have a few DIYRE Colour channels where the modules installed can vary from mix to mix. To document those, in Logic (and I dare say most DAW’s) you can write notes into individual tracks as required.
Logic’s Insert IO plugin has in and out gain settings that store with the session so often I will attenuate/ boost here to avoid changing an analog setting on a device when mixing to try and standardise the analog processing part of things as much as I can. Particularly handy as a threshold control when sending to a compressor and saturation amount when sending to those types of analog processing.
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2023 8:42:24 GMT -6
View AttachmentNot sure if this link will work, but I took a hack at this with LucidChart. This is an attempt to route my tracking plan for these live in the studio recordings running through a 24 channel board (representing in the middle but not labeled). I have to say, it was cool being able to drag boxes around and have the connections follow them. Fun exercise. EDIT: I can never figure out how to get images to display Do you have the original Excel spreadsheet that you would be willing to share, please? I had one once . . .but lost in the last iMac crash, 2 iMacs ago.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 1, 2023 12:52:48 GMT -6
View AttachmentNot sure if this link will work, but I took a hack at this with LucidChart. This is an attempt to route my tracking plan for these live in the studio recordings running through a 24 channel board (representing in the middle but not labeled). I have to say, it was cool being able to drag boxes around and have the connections follow them. Fun exercise. EDIT: I can never figure out how to get images to display Do you have the original Excel spreadsheet that you would be willing to share, please? I had one once . . .but lost in the last iMac crash, 2 iMacs ago. I just built this straight into LucidChart the other night. Until now I've been doing everything in physical notebooks.
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