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Post by smashlord on Aug 22, 2023 14:57:06 GMT -6
Hey all, thank you for your suggestions.
I think I have narrowed down my search to a pair of Soyuz 017 FETs or U87ais (I know to get post 2013 when they returned to the FET). I know the Soyuz is cardiod only, which is fine 90% of the time... anything I do Bluemlein for, I prefer ribbons anyways.
Anyone have experience with both side by side that could chime in? Acoustics, overheads, and vocals would be primary uses.
I know many will say to find vintage U87s, but I've had enough experiences with buying vintage gear sight unseen to make me wary of potential money pits.
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 22, 2023 16:45:39 GMT -6
Hey all, thank you for your suggestions. I think I have narrowed down my search to a pair of Soyuz 017 FETs or U87ais (I know to get post 2013 when they returned to the FET). I know the Soyuz is cardiod only, which is fine 90% of the time... anything I do Bluemlein for, I prefer ribbons anyways. Anyone have experience with both side by side that could chime in? Acoustics, overheads, and vocals would be primary uses. I know many will say to find vintage U87s, but I've had enough experiences with buying vintage gear sight unseen to make me wary of potential money pits. I’ve used both extensively. It’d be a tough decision for me. In cardioid I prefer the Soyuz on most voices, it’s much more flattering. But the problem is when I’m tracking vocals with my 87ai, I’m almost systematically using it in Omni, which is where I find it really shines, less of that mid range honk and a nice extended top end and sounds very different from the soyuz. But then you’re very dependent on the room and if your room sucks it’s basically unusable. So if you’re set on using only cardioid or your room isn’t good enough for omni vocals I’d say soyuz. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 23, 2023 10:41:35 GMT -6
I know the Soyuz is a great mic, but I have personally not found the U87 flat out "wrong" at any point. Often not the best (which can be said for virtually every mic) but never the worst, and almost always decent. My 87 use has been with vintage models though, so that that as a grain of salt. If I had to choose one desert island mic, it would probably be an U87.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 23, 2023 13:01:40 GMT -6
I know the Soyuz is a great mic, but I have personally not found the U87 flat out "wrong" at any point. Often not the best (which can be said for virtually every mic) but never the worst, and almost always decent. My 87 use has been with vintage models though, so that that as a grain of salt. If I had to choose one desert island mic, it would probably be an U87. Only once, on a coloratura soprano. It made he sound shrill.... Then again, it could have just been her voice. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 23, 2023 17:01:53 GMT -6
I know the Soyuz is a great mic, but I have personally not found the U87 flat out "wrong" at any point. Often not the best (which can be said for virtually every mic) but never the worst, and almost always decent. My 87 use has been with vintage models though, so that that as a grain of salt. If I had to choose one desert island mic, it would probably be an U87. Then again, it could have just been her voice. Haha!! Perfect. My U87 is the ultimate mic for EVERY situation - it's the source instrument / voice that's the problem.  |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 23, 2023 18:19:16 GMT -6
Just got a pair of Stam 87T’s, based on the praise from some in this thread. Wow. They sound really good. I am impressed. Low end reach, air up top with a Neumann midrange. Less than 2k shipped to my door within two weeks of purchase.
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Post by boostudio on Aug 23, 2023 19:01:38 GMT -6
Just got a pair of Stam 87T’s, based on the praise from some in this thread. Wow. They sound really good. I am impressed. Low end reach, air up top with a Neumann midrange. Less than 2k shipped to my door within two weeks of purchase. Ooof ... jealous. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 19:12:09 GMT -6
Only once, on a coloratura soprano. It made he sound shrill.... Then again, it could have just been her voice. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 23, 2023 19:49:00 GMT -6
You haven't heard my Chipmunk voice.
Yet! (Evil laugh) "Ba ha ha".
Chris
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2023 10:35:04 GMT -6
You haven't heard my Chipmunk voice. Yet! (Evil laugh) "Ba ha ha". Chris So it was you who snuck into my mothers house last week ( true story), and I was screaming “ ALVIN “ over the phone. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 24, 2023 12:35:34 GMT -6
I was only following orders because... Simon says. Chris |
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2023 13:58:25 GMT -6
I was only following orders because... Simon says. Chris What you got some kind of Chip on your shoulder? Or is it Dale This joke is in honor of DRBill and all his Disney work over the years🤪 |
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Post by drbill on Aug 24, 2023 14:03:37 GMT -6
These days, drBill is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to NOT be working for Disney anymore.....  |
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Post by notneeson on Aug 24, 2023 17:45:36 GMT -6
These days, drBill is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to NOT be working for Disney anymore..... It's fun explaining to a 9 year old that their favorite show got cancelled by the suits. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 24, 2023 18:59:27 GMT -6
But not Frozen.
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2023 20:46:48 GMT -6
These days, drBill is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to NOT be working for Disney anymore..... It's fun explaining to a 9 year old that their favorite show got cancelled by the suits. Or that nobody wants to pay your favorite character or the guy who comes up with the story. |
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Post by smashlord on Oct 16, 2023 13:37:54 GMT -6
Thank you everyone for your suggestions... took a bit but I settled on a pair of Soyuz 023s. I know... totally not multi-pattern but...
this is a seriously impressive mic, especially considering its price point! Great detail and a very unique character/sound. Its darkness is a great counterpoint to the usual suspects. I was between the 023s, 017 FETS, and a pair of U87ais and decided on the 023s when I heard them on drum OHS.... the top end reminded me of C12s (not surprisingly).... its there but not bright or harsh. Very smooth on vocals, nice on acoustic, but I still prefer an M160 there. 017 FET was also very impressive, but was reminiscent of the Neumann thing and we already got plenty of those.
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