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Post by Ward on Jul 10, 2023 10:18:07 GMT -6
I like to do all my editing with eyes and ears open, tweak and fix everything. Time align, fix any pitchiness and then get my drums working, get the vocal seated nicely, start bringing in bass and guitars, keys, other strings, horns if present, and backing vocals. Then Keep my eyes closed, turn off the lights and try to visualize the band or artist and backing, on a stage or some other setting.
The experience is EVERYTHING. Try to create an emotional almost spiritual experience.
And remember, the song is everything.
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Post by svart on Jul 10, 2023 13:41:37 GMT -6
#1: are you starting with a chorus/refrain? i used to start from the intro and work my way through a mix til the end until i started mixing the refrain first. much better. #2: do you mix in sections? i mean totally new mixes per refrain, verse, bridge. this is something i incorporated lately. once finished the fader balance for say the refrain i go to a verse and with level automation on i start a completely new fader balance for the verse. than same for the bridge. sounds interesting but doesn‘t work all the time. I didn't read any of the comments.. Just wanted to give my unbiased opinion right away. I always start with the section that I feel has the most power or is at least the most interesting. That way I can maximize whatever will be the BEST part of the song first and then make moves that might support it. Sometimes it's fader rides, sometimes it's adding or subtracting effects/layers, and sometimes it's totally removing whole instruments. I recently received a bunch of guitar tracks from a remote musician. When I added it to the mix it was simply too much to have throughout the whole song. I removed a handful of the parallel tracks and only used parts where I thought it accented appropriately. I let the artist hear it with and without the extra tracks and he was very much in agreement with my choices for the mix. We were both pretty happy with the result.
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Post by srb on Jul 10, 2023 14:08:56 GMT -6
All faders up and into a mix buss comp from the jump. I want an organic kind of feel/flow in a mix with the dynamics. Arrangement sure helps with that.
I will split parts on individual tracks; most especially cross stick snare. A combination of finger-picked and strummed can benefit from that as well if the cuts aren't too hard to make. Double track, maybe, if too busy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 14:39:15 GMT -6
The bus comp compacts your fader moves. You have to mix into it and move faders more drastically. It will change the sound! You will get an ssl bus comp into its sweet spot and not where it’s taking the top off or if it is taking the top off, you will compensate! Even the new Massenburg plugin changes the sound even if you can’t knock out of the sweet spot by design except by uncontrolled peaks making it speed up drastically with increased distortion and some digital artifacts from super fast gain reductions. Even that has to be on early because then you will instinctively avoid the distortion!
First I process everything to sound good. Recording quality sucks nowadays. Tons of corrective eq and dynamics are needed. I will color in the corrective stages if I have all the tracks for the song in the first place but for remote recordings, the quality is so bad it needs to be corrected before another musician can overdub.
Some of these musicians did go to studios who had no idea what they were doing for sub genre music where everything often has to be recorded or processed a certain way to match a reference and often have more messed up pre processed recordings than if they did it themselves at home when yeah it would be roomy and raw but often miced halfway right and not pre processed with tons of crap that absolutely should not be on it. It’s not so much about gear as recording techniques and knowing what is done for what reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 14:41:56 GMT -6
All faders up and into a mix buss comp from the jump. I want an organic kind of feel/flow in a mix with the dynamics. Arrangement sure helps with that. I will split parts on individual tracks; most especially cross stick snare. A combination of finger-picked and strummed can benefit from that as well if the cuts aren't too hard to make. Double track, maybe, if too busy. Same with guitars especially if they’re stomping pedals. Or whisper to scream vocals because even if you use some magic comp/limiter to not pump it, it will still sound like it’s pumping or have heavy distortion on the screams. So Many powerful vocalists had performances emasculated by an 1176! Chugs I used to separate but good dynamic eqs like nova ge, Sonnox Oxford dynamic eq, Kirchhoff solve that issue. Older dynamic eqs like mcdsp, waves, and Fabfilter have stupid artifacts. Waves came after nova too 😣
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Post by jmoose on Jul 10, 2023 17:10:01 GMT -6
i am with you when you say its about how it flows but its not live mixing. its a record. boundaries should be reached and crossed to create something „special“. in the past i always tried to do it with automation. not just volume automation, effects also. now i‘d like to experiment some more and see if it works for me by mixing in sections. maybe i can create even more flow and rise with it. in my vision i want to get my mixes more interesting. nice to hear all these different approaches - anything goes! More interesting could mean a lot of different things but to me, that's usually going to start with musical intent & arrangement... and then, when the time comes to make mixing decisions? Be bold and take the less traveled path. Yes absolutely its a record. There's room to experiment. Yet in the world of mix for hire... in terms of "interesting" I tend to feel like when I'm mixing a single the decisions & overall presentation is way more conservative. I'm probably always going to make the safer, kinda stock choices. And I realize that consciously, its an active decision. Mixing in the context of a longer play release... full EP or album with more songs and more depth? I'm going to take chances & roll the dice on more things and maybe try and blow up some of the rule book. With more presentation time I can try something stupid like giant reverb throws or putting all the drums in one speaker. Where as in the context of a single? Hey... so that's what it sounds like in your head eh..? Long time ago as a kiddo I ended up assisting Andy Wallace on a mix session... was an HBO thing we all all the video lock gear... Probably the first hour he sat there listening and really not doing much. Mute something here or there... fiddle with an EQ... but mostly listening. Then he called out about 400 patches in basically one shot and within I dunno? Maybe hour tops the mix was pretty well framed in. Not 100% done but the form was there. I don't mix in sections. Can't see a reason for that but yeah sure... I might decide to start mixing by diving into the bridge & end chorus... get those reasonably together and then roll from the top and see what sticks. But ultimately the delivered song/mix is one print. For some context my rig is the classic triangle of DAW as tape machine / baby SSL desk / 2nd DAW as 2-track. For all intents the DAW's could be tape machines. No templates here the desk ends up being the template. 2-mix compressor is always available at the press of a button but it doesn't go in that early. Generally mid way? If it goes on too soon & before things are really formed its easy to really overcook and fight the thing. Over-modulate etc. I want the compressor to shape and add tone to the mix, not to mix the mix. So when I plop that insert one of the first things I'm kinda listening for is what its doing to the vocal. And then, how's it treating all the time based junk like reverb & echo tails? Are things coming forward or getting pushed back blah blah... Definitely some voodoo involved.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 10, 2023 19:21:47 GMT -6
Today I started with the drums, then the bass, then guitar, then vocals and then kinda whatever came up next on the console moving left to right. (Piano, Hammond, BGVs etc.)
I think I use that right to left thing a lot ITB, now that I think about it. Get down there on channel 1 and work my way up.
Digging 33609 in to 2500 on this mix today as I kicked the Smart over to parallel drum bus. Nice thing about working at someone else's spot is trying new approaches and gear, I'd never driven the stereo Neve until recently. Next thing I want to try is putting the Smart across the drums in series.
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Post by theshea on Jul 11, 2023 0:37:01 GMT -6
mixing in sections: a bridge is a very fine section to do this. change radically the fader balance. yesterday i got the drums all roomy. muted the close snare, smashed the room tracks and that changed the whole thing. turned up the bass guitar, overdriven, faded in the percussion shaker and handclaps loud. very nice.
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Post by theshea on Jul 11, 2023 0:42:21 GMT -6
i am with you when you say its about how it flows but its not live mixing. its a record. boundaries should be reached and crossed to create something „special“. in the past i always tried to do it with automation. not just volume automation, effects also. now i‘d like to experiment some more and see if it works for me by mixing in sections. maybe i can create even more flow and rise with it. in my vision i want to get my mixes more interesting. nice to hear all these different approaches - anything goes! More interesting could mean a lot of different things but to me, that's usually going to start with musical intent & arrangement... and then, when the time comes to make mixing decisions? Be bold and take the less traveled path. Yes absolutely its a record. There's room to experiment. Yet in the world of mix for hire... in terms of "interesting" I tend to feel like when I'm mixing a single the decisions & overall presentation is way more conservative. I'm probably always going to make the safer, kinda stock choices. And I realize that consciously, its an active decision. its a fine line. lots of talking to the band and listening to reference tracks helps me understand if i can be bold and creative with my mixing moves. on my own tracks i am. i change the tracks radically in the mix if creativity strikes. but i hesitate with external bands/artists. i keep it on the safer side and often later have the feeling i could have done more outthere moves. but sometimes they don‘t accept that.
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Post by Ward on Jul 12, 2023 10:27:55 GMT -6
Some snipping occurred . . . So Many powerful vocalists had performances emasculated by an 1176! Further snipping happened If soloing you will hear that but if you don't overdo it, when you get it in the mix, fairly aggressive 1176 peak limiting will pay off. It can keep it right up in your face.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 13, 2023 1:42:38 GMT -6
Some snipping occurred . . . So Many powerful vocalists had performances emasculated by an 1176! Further snipping happened If soloing you will hear that but if you don't overdo it, when you get it in the mix, fairly aggressive 1176 peak limiting will pay off. It can keep it right up in your face. In Nashville in November Ray Kennedy did a session at Welcome to 1979 Summit using the Car Wheels on a Gravel Road mults, and his mix notes. He was PUMMELING one of their blue stripe 1176s set as he had it set for the record on the lead vocal and it sounded AMAZING.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 13, 2023 2:30:27 GMT -6
It depends Firstly I like to build the mood. Second I mix hybrid with stems so sometimes they change chunks completely. Often it’s more fluid as I’ve always tried to create beautiful textures.
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