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Post by longscale on Jun 30, 2023 10:55:01 GMT -6
It has been upgrade season for me this year. I'd prefer not to expand that list if I don't really have to. Any reason I should be considering upgrading my Apogee AD-16x/DA-16x converters? Do these hold their own compared to all the newer things yet?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 30, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -6
How old are they ?
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Post by longscale on Jun 30, 2023 11:37:27 GMT -6
Forever ago (15+ years). But they have been solid. I'm not really worried about them dying. More thinking should I be looking at newer things because of sound quality compared to newer generations of converters.
Though it is a good point that they could go south electronically at some point. I'd replace them with something else if they bit the dust. But if they continue to run, I'm simply wondering if I need to be looking into something newer because of improvements in converter technology. I'm not really needing to chase the high end - I've not been unhappy with my results with these converters. I suppose I should get something newer in house to try and listen for myself. I only wanted to get a general feel of - these still hold their own, or omg get them gone because there is so much better available now.
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Post by longscale on Jun 30, 2023 11:47:53 GMT -6
fwiw - I'm not doing orchestra work - or anything that needs super detailed space. doing your average singer/songwriter (acoustic guitars, banjo, mandolin, vocals.....) things that might use that open detail. But mostly rock things with electric guitars, drum, bass, vocals that semi do not need it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 30, 2023 12:22:56 GMT -6
No harm demoing, what’s your budget?
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Post by notneeson on Jun 30, 2023 12:27:47 GMT -6
Forever ago (15+ years). But they have been solid. I'm not really worried about them dying. More thinking should I be looking at newer things because of sound quality compared to newer generations of converters. Though it is a good point that they could go south electronically at some point. I'd replace them with something else if they bit the dust. But if they continue to run, I'm simply wondering if I need to be looking into something newer because of improvements in converter technology. I'm not really needing to chase the high end - I've not been unhappy with my results with these converters. I suppose I should get something newer in house to try and listen for myself. I only wanted to get a general feel of - these still hold their own, or omg get them gone because there is so much better available now. I mean, they were all the rage when they were new and it’s not like people didn’t make good sounding records back then. But, if you are doing paid work they’re definitely getting long in the tooth and had some known issues (which you are likely already aware of). And also, what else could you do with $3k (ish, depending on channel needs).
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Post by longscale on Jun 30, 2023 12:46:06 GMT -6
Budget? Oh if only I had a budget. But realistically I'm not a high end player.
I'd probably be looking at Apogee symphony mk II , or in my dream world RADAR. Dream world on RADAR only because of hearing them/using them a few years back. I'm a bit locked into a HDX DigiLink interface, unless I flip that gear out for something like a Carbon.
That is all part of this puzzle. I need to abandon my HD Native thunderbolt. I'd like to just get a HDX Core card and be done with it. But I'm still considering other options. Which is why I started thinking perhaps new converters might help me make up my mind. But instead they just made it harder. ;-)
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Post by longscale on Jun 30, 2023 12:49:26 GMT -6
For channel needs I rarely need 16. 8 works 99% of the time. BUT I do have outboard hardware tied into the other 8 - which makes life easy in PT to call up things as a hw insert.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 30, 2023 13:17:29 GMT -6
Budget? Oh if only I had a budget. But realistically I'm not a high end player. I'd probably be looking at Apogee symphony mk II , or in my dream world RADAR. Dream world on RADAR only because of hearing them/using them a few years back. I'm a bit locked into a HDX DigiLink interface, unless I flip that gear out for something like a Carbon. That is all part of this puzzle. I need to abandon my HD Native thunderbolt. I'd like to just get a HDX Core card and be done with it. But I'm still considering other options. Which is why I started thinking perhaps new converters might help me make up my mind. But instead they just made it harder. ;-) I have been working on a Lynx (N) setup the last few weeks and it sounds terrific. Plus their Avid integration is typically second to none. Have also been on Symphony MKII in recent years, also great sounding. I suppose you could grab a nice 8 channel box and keep the old stuff for overflow.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 30, 2023 14:05:09 GMT -6
My HEDD 192 is now 15 years old! I've yet to find another ADA I prefer - except for DH newer Quantum version - which I can't afford.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 30, 2023 14:47:05 GMT -6
I think 15 year old apogee and HEDD are not apples to apples. I know apogee had had at least two major conversion upgrades.
So, he might like to try symphony mkii or as stated above, I too am on aurora N now and never even think about conversion quality anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 15:47:05 GMT -6
You could always just keep using them until they break and have money saved up for 8-16 channels of whatever Apogee has out at the time. They have a new Symphony II 16 channel SE that is probably great. My Symphony Desktop is great. How can those hurt you? You also get maximum value out of your current gear that's not bad at all.
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Post by ericn on Jun 30, 2023 17:01:34 GMT -6
If there is nothing driving this other than the age of the Apogee’s and the burning desire for something new for the most part alone. The Apogee’s are not the last word in transparency but honestly never really sound bad, I might take a look at a clean 2ch AD just to have it available.
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Post by longscale on Jul 2, 2023 17:10:18 GMT -6
I dug into Iz Radar's converters - but was somewhat sad that for connectivity all they offer is Dante. So then I dug into Burl Audio's B16. At least there I could get DigiLink, but the eye watering 6k for a 8x8 gave me pause.
Thanks for the input. I appreciate it.
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Post by bitsville on Jul 2, 2023 18:35:10 GMT -6
I am not sure what you mean with the connectivity options. I have a radar and an Ada II. I have ADAT, and aes on the radar. And madi and ADAT on the ada II, which, with the rme interface or a pro tools madi interface works seamlessly. I never think about it. I dug into Iz Radar's converters - but was somewhat sad that for connectivity all they offer is Dante. So then I dug into Burl Audio's B16. At least there I could get DigiLink, but the eye watering 6k for a 8x8 gave me pause. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it.
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Post by longscale on Jul 2, 2023 19:44:19 GMT -6
I am not sure what you mean with the connectivity options. I have a radar and an Ada II. I have ADAT, and aes on the radar. And madi and ADAT on the ada II, which, with the rme interface or a pro tools madi interface works seamlessly. I never think about it. I dug into Iz Radar's converters - but was somewhat sad that for connectivity all they offer is Dante. So then I dug into Burl Audio's B16. At least there I could get DigiLink, but the eye watering 6k for a 8x8 gave me pause. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. The new(ish) Iz Radar Converters are Dante only. I'm not talking about any full Radar recorder, or discontinued products.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jul 2, 2023 20:41:40 GMT -6
And if I'm not mistaken, they now offer Thunderbolt III on the IZ convertors?
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Post by longscale on Jul 3, 2023 8:16:54 GMT -6
And if I'm not mistaken, they now offer Thunderbolt III on the IZ convertors? I'm not a iZ product expert, but I see no mention of thunderbolt support for the "iZ Converter" on their website.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jul 3, 2023 10:15:58 GMT -6
And if I'm not mistaken, they now offer Thunderbolt III on the IZ convertors? I'm not a iZ product expert, but I see no mention of thunderbolt support for the "iZ Converter" on their website. A few people lately have resparked my Radar interest so I dug a little. The new chassis is Dante only, if you're HDX there's the Focusrite RedNet HD32R and for USB there's the RME Digiface Dante. From what I read the Focusrite PCIe Dante card isn't M1 compatible. Would be interesting to see who here has used the new Radar box, I'd only need 16ch and having that in a half rack would be awesome.
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Post by bitsville on Jul 3, 2023 14:32:39 GMT -6
I have never understood why IZ went from the Ada II to the Dante only box.
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Post by longscale on Jul 14, 2023 18:39:07 GMT -6
Burl B16 Mothership in the house. The other thread on converters pushed me over the edge. I'm in trouble now. This thing sounds HUGE. Like somebody added 12 feet to my ceilings and blew out my front wall by 20 feet. WOW. Very very musical to my ears.
Trying gear in your room is very very dangerous. Now I have to find things to sell....
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Post by longscale on Jul 14, 2023 18:40:02 GMT -6
The funny part - my favorite thing about the Burl other than the sound is a power switch that works. ha.
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Post by spindrift on Jul 15, 2023 3:43:40 GMT -6
I have never understood why IZ went from the Ada II to the Dante only box. I understand. After running two ADA IIs for a few years and some difficulties (fixing aging computers and the older DeltaLink not playing so well with HDX all the time), I happily went to the Dante-HD32R-HDX setup on two HDX setups.
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Post by professorplum on Jul 15, 2023 12:50:08 GMT -6
Been wondering the same thing as I'm still using a Black Lion white sparrow ADC which is going on 15+ years old.
Has anyone else upgraded much older converters and noticed a big difference?
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Post by roundbadge on Jul 15, 2023 12:57:21 GMT -6
Burl . Spend once
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