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Post by nick8801 on Jun 27, 2023 16:30:50 GMT -6
It’s really hard to tell what’s what in that mashup, though. Yeah unless you really focus. But those differences will definitely add up once you start stacking. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 16:39:00 GMT -6
It’s really hard to tell what’s what in that mashup, though. Yeah unless you really focus. But those differences will definitely add up once you start stacking. Agree |
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Post by notneeson on Jun 27, 2023 16:47:58 GMT -6
Yeah unless you really focus. But those differences will definitely add up once you start stacking. Agree I find it helpful to think of the Burl as an AD and a killer discrete/transformer balanced line stage. You’d almost have to add a nice line stage after your mic pre to make it a fair fight. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 16:50:00 GMT -6
I’m nerding hard on this. Listening in the car. I clicked the input on the 1073 higher than I normally would because I wasn’t using a compressor and I think it was getting a little crispy. I am a Dum Dum. Funny though, in the car, I actually thought A sounded better and everywhere else I thought B sounded better. Who freaking knows.
By the way A is the Apollo and B is the Burl
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Post by wiz on Jun 27, 2023 16:55:56 GMT -6
It’s really hard to tell what’s what in that mashup, though. Yeah that was my point from the start.... If you have the disposable income or some business reason for having the burl... sure.. keep it... But, there are other places that equity could be of use....especially if you have a mortgage cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 27, 2023 16:57:27 GMT -6
Yeah unless you really focus. But those differences will definitely add up once you start stacking. Agree I don't think in Johns case that's going to be an issue.. he is usually only doing 1 or 2 tracks in his studio... cheers Wiz |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 17:04:58 GMT -6
I’m nerding hard on this. Listening in the car. I clicked the input on the 1073 higher than I normally would because I wasn’t using a compressor and I think it was getting a little crispy. I am a Dum Dum. Funny though, in the car, I actually thought A sounded better and everywhere else I thought B sounded better. Who freaking knows. By the way A is the Apollo and B is the Burl I'm kind of surprised how much more I liked B. To be honest I was listening to this really wanting them to be no different. I'd really like to hear the same take though. The improvements on B could be just a bit less proximity effect. It was clearer to my ears but was that the converter or other factors? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 17:12:07 GMT -6
I’m nerding hard on this. Listening in the car. I clicked the input on the 1073 higher than I normally would because I wasn’t using a compressor and I think it was getting a little crispy. I am a Dum Dum. Funny though, in the car, I actually thought A sounded better and everywhere else I thought B sounded better. Who freaking knows. By the way A is the Apollo and B is the Burl I'm kind of surprised how much more I liked B. To be honest I was listening to this really wanting them to be no different. I'd really like to hear the same take though. The improvements on B could be just a bit less proximity effect. It was clearer to my ears but was that the converter or other factors? I was the same distance from the mic…I do think the Apollo is a bit more strident in the 1khz area, 8Khz ish and isn’t as tight on bottom so it blooms a little bit. None of which couldn’t be fixed with eq. Ok maybe not the esses. I prefer the Burl and will most likely keep it just for sanity’s sake. Now off to my next red herring - whether my cheap ass dbx patchbay affects the sound. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 17:13:25 GMT -6
I'm kind of surprised how much more I liked B. To be honest I was listening to this really wanting them to be no different. I'd really like to hear the same take though. The improvements on B could be just a bit less proximity effect. It was clearer to my ears but was that the converter or other factors? I was the same distance from the mic…I do think the Apollo is a bit more strident in the 1khz area, 8Khz ish and isn’t as tight on bottom so it blooms a little bit. None of which couldn’t be fixed with eq. Ok maybe not the esses. I prefer the Burl and will most likely keep it just for sanity’s sake. Now off to my next red herring - whether my cheap ass dbx patchbay affects the sound. Please don't publish results on that one unless the answer is no! |
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Post by wiz on Jun 27, 2023 17:26:03 GMT -6
I'm kind of surprised how much more I liked B. To be honest I was listening to this really wanting them to be no different. I'd really like to hear the same take though. The improvements on B could be just a bit less proximity effect. It was clearer to my ears but was that the converter or other factors? I was the same distance from the mic…I do think the Apollo is a bit more strident in the 1khz area, 8Khz ish and isn’t as tight on bottom so it blooms a little bit. None of which couldn’t be fixed with eq. Ok maybe not the esses. I prefer the Burl and will most likely keep it just for sanity’s sake. Now off to my next red herring - whether my cheap ass dbx patchbay affects the sound. Did you notice anything when tracking the vocal? Between the two... as that's where I am most sensitive. cheers Wiz |
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Post by Chad on Jun 27, 2023 17:34:39 GMT -6
I’m just finding this thread, and I haven’t listened yet, @johnkenn, but I already have a gut feeling about what your signal flow needs…
A PAIR of Sta Levels that you’re running EVERYTHING through — even the final mixbus!!!
😂
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 17:39:09 GMT -6
OK - patchbay isn't affecting anything. Sounds exactly the same...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 17:40:17 GMT -6
I’m just finding this thread, and I haven’t listened yet, @johnkenn, but I already have a gut feeling about what your signal flow needs… A PAIR of Sta Levels that you’re running EVERYTHING through — even the final mixbus!!! 😂 I just kicked it out of the nest an hour ago. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 17:41:10 GMT -6
If only I had a H251...
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Post by Chad on Jun 27, 2023 17:45:44 GMT -6
I’m just finding this thread, and I haven’t listened yet, @johnkenn, but I already have a gut feeling about what your signal flow needs… A PAIR of Sta Levels that you’re running EVERYTHING through — even the final mixbus!!! 😂 I just kicked it out of the nest an hour ago. 👊🏻😁🤙🏼 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 27, 2023 18:06:07 GMT -6
I’m nerding hard on this. Listening in the car. I clicked the input on the 1073 higher than I normally would because I wasn’t using a compressor and I think it was getting a little crispy. I am a Dum Dum. Funny though, in the car, I actually thought A sounded better and everywhere else I thought B sounded better. Who freaking knows. By the way A is the Apollo and B is the Burl As I suspected  . Having had the Burl for a week, I preferred it over the Apollo too. But that was around six or more years ago. The 2nd Gen Apollo's were honkier than the 3rd Gen. Don't know if spending $1,500 - $2,400 is quite worth the difference though. I'd rather have a Retro 176 and a great outboard EQ. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 19:03:13 GMT -6
I’m nerding hard on this. Listening in the car. I clicked the input on the 1073 higher than I normally would because I wasn’t using a compressor and I think it was getting a little crispy. I am a Dum Dum. Funny though, in the car, I actually thought A sounded better and everywhere else I thought B sounded better. Who freaking knows. By the way A is the Apollo and B is the Burl As I suspected . Having had the Burl for a week, I preferred it over the Apollo too. But that was around six or more years ago. The 2nd Gen Apollo's were honkier than the 3rd Gen. Don't know if spending $1,500 - $2,400 is quite worth the difference though. I'd rather have a Retro 176 and a great outboard EQ. Maybe so... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 19:04:59 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jun 27, 2023 20:04:36 GMT -6
Well tickle my anus and call me Samantha... that sounds just killer... guitars are fantastic as well... harmonies rip.... that's just right in my line of thinking...sell burl get a H251... f*8K you are so talented.... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 20:20:03 GMT -6
Well tickle my anus and call me Samantha... that sounds just killer... guitars are fantastic as well... harmonies rip.... that's just right in my line of thinking...sell burl get a H251... f*8K you are so talented.... cheers Wiz Well thank you…wish I had some scratch in my voice like you. Unfortunately, the Burl would only find less than half  |
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 27, 2023 22:23:20 GMT -6
I’m just finding this thread, and I haven’t listened yet, @johnkenn, but I already have a gut feeling about what your signal flow needs… A PAIR of Sta Levels that you’re running EVERYTHING through — even the final mixbus!!! 😂 I just kicked it out of the nest an hour ago. It’ll be back.  I honestly don’t want to know how many have come and gone. Do you have something you’re replacing it with? Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 22:50:16 GMT -6
I go through guitar lust and then pro audio lust…I’ll want something and liquidate to get something else. And whenever I end up with both I eventually feel guitar that I don’t use shit enough.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 27, 2023 22:51:45 GMT -6
Dang John, the acoustic guitars sounds great on that track. It jumped right out at me, just perfect sounding.
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Post by Hudsonic on Jun 28, 2023 6:02:37 GMT -6
JohnKenn--ENDORSED!
MAJOR MF'er sound
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Post by Mark Kano on Jun 28, 2023 6:39:23 GMT -6
Sounds fantastic to me. I can't hear any discernible differences at this stage. |
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. Having had the Burl for a week, I preferred it over the Apollo too. But that was around six or more years ago. The 2nd Gen Apollo's were honkier than the 3rd Gen. Don't know if spending $1,500 - $2,400 is quite worth the difference though. I'd rather have a Retro 176 and a great outboard EQ.
