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Post by littlesicily on Jun 27, 2014 13:08:29 GMT -6
We were waiting for Sal to say it... LOL… I didn't realize I had any pull. haha
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Post by littlesicily on Jun 27, 2014 13:10:32 GMT -6
I'm so glad I could finally turn some of the folks here who've turned me on to so many good things onto something groovy. The A.O.M really is that one notch higher quality that gives you a sigh of relief when you hear it. Use 16X oversampling. I'm sure there will be some competition soon. Slate's due for the mk II FG-X, but he thought his FG-X was better than the A.O.M. and their test was skewed, so who knows. I tell you, that test was amazing, professional, and fairly done, and the result was plain as day, and the A.O.M. clearly won the horse race by a length or two. Enjoy fellas. * don't overlook their Stereo Widener, it's like the final dusting of a polished car in the showroom, and it's easy to use. (it kills UAD's Precision) Oh man, from my initial experience with the AOM… you're right… the slate ain't even in the same league. Martin John Butler tell me more about how ur using the Widener please.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 13:16:42 GMT -6
DOWNLOADING NOW! THE FRENZY IS AT ITS ZENITH
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 13:22:41 GMT -6
Instant buy... Hey - you guys should really check out this AOM Limiter I found...
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Post by ragan on Jun 27, 2014 13:33:42 GMT -6
There was lots of chatter about the AOM over on the Apollo thread when it came out. I just couldn't ever demo it cause there's no RTAS.
I may speed up my upgrade to PT11 to check it out.
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 27, 2014 13:39:31 GMT -6
When you can hear the snare popping on a spikey mix at like 4db RMS, that shouldn't even be possible..... this limiter is in my head! It's like it knows exactly how I want the music to sound, the transients are preserved, but it's loud as anything, but when the music pulls off, it let's it go back down! How the hell is the thing doing all this. I invited the guy over, hopefully he'll shed some light on what exactly this thing is doing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 14:05:45 GMT -6
Actually. after comparing for a while, I don't think it just SLAYS FG-x...
FG-x does seem like it adds a little brightness. I think AOM might be cleaner too - less distortion. I'm still wrapping my head around it a little. Couple of questions...I still seem to be able to get things louder with FG-x without seeing red.
- The Limit Level controls how hard the limiter "limits"...the attack of the limiter? i.e. counter clockwise equals more clamping down? - Should I start with the Input level? Get the input level as loud as I can without clipping? Then apply Limit Level? Or do you just use these in tandem to get the reduction where you want it? - Output level is just bringing it up as close to zero as you can without going over? - L/R or M/S? - Linear is harder knee than Logarithmic?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 14:07:10 GMT -6
Should I move these AOM posts over to a new AOM thread?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 14:29:21 GMT -6
OK - that's not true...I can get AOM louder. Is there a meter that tells RMS level? Another plug that is?
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 27, 2014 14:47:48 GMT -6
The best one is the Dorrough from waves…. I think at least…. gives you really good info.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 27, 2014 14:51:07 GMT -6
That "little brightness" that Slate seems to add ain't brightness, it's a hazy distortion. Once you hear it, it's all you hear. The stereo widener is interesting. I add maybe 3-5% wider and then add a smaller amount of center until I have a wider mix, but with the focus staying on the lead vocal. There's hardly a mix I use without it. When I'm home, I'll check the levels and if I can run a quick mix with and without it.
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Post by littlesicily on Jun 27, 2014 16:16:39 GMT -6
Should I move these AOM posts over to a new AOM thread? That could be cleaner for people searching.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 27, 2014 16:43:53 GMT -6
When you can hear the snare popping on a spikey mix at like 4db RMS, that shouldn't even be possible..... this limiter is in my head! It's like it knows exactly how I want the music to sound, the transients are preserved, but it's loud as anything, but when the music pulls off, it let's it go back down! How the hell is the thing doing all this. I invited the guy over, hopefully he'll shed some light on what exactly this thing is doing. It actually allows you to get the mix too loud without realizing it. I have to be careful with it and really watch my meters in the analog stage. I can't hear it working at all sometimes. But I'm starting to get on the back end of my ears too. Younger guys probably wouldn't have that problem I guess.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 17:20:22 GMT -6
No - I'm MUCH younger than you and experienced the same thing...
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Post by henge on Jun 27, 2014 17:45:24 GMT -6
Been using the AOM since it came out and it really does sound great.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 17:52:34 GMT -6
So - I have been using Slate for Dithering...Any other good options out there?
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Post by joey808 on Jun 28, 2014 3:13:13 GMT -6
Checked it out, I thought Ozones limiter is just as good or better. Gonna buy it and experiment more with it.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 28, 2014 5:06:21 GMT -6
Just a note here per this discussion. I think with these digital limiters it's not a one size fits all kind of thing. Everybody's rig is different. Mine sounded best with FG-X on most things when I was using it. And I've found different limiters may sound better from song to song. This AOM is good but it's not an end all for me at least. I wish Slate would go 64 bit already so I can use the plugin I bought.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2014 7:46:26 GMT -6
"I wish Slate would go 64 bit already so I can use the plugin I bought."
I've had a year long conversation with them regarding this. I understand most users bought it at 32 bits and it performed as promised, so they have no real complaint, other than please hurry up. Me, I specifically bought FG-X based on an email and two conversations with Slate tech help, and was promised the FG-X would be 64 bits by "spring, summer the latest", uhh.. 2013 ! They backburnered the FG-X to do other things, but I was left screwed, as I'd paid $200 for mine and then it was of no use in Logic X. Slate kindly gave me a $50 coupon I've yet to use, but although appreciated, it didn't compensate for having to buy a different limiter to cover my back.
Slate's really OK, but their ambitions outrun their everyday customer service sometimes. I'd like to have the option of my FG-X again, this way I can compare and choose between the AOM and the Slate.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 28, 2014 9:02:35 GMT -6
To me, the FG-x is definitely the easier of the two to use. I agree that when you get the AOM dialed in, it seems that you can push it a little louder and it might be a little cleaner...but I'm struggling a little to wrap my head around the Limit Level and Input Level. Also, I don't like that I have to then add another Level meter to see what's happening and then a dither plug.
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Post by henge on Jun 28, 2014 9:07:06 GMT -6
To me, the FG-x is definitely the easier of the two to use. I agree that when you get the AOM dialed in, it seems that you can push it a little louder and it might be a little cleaner...but I'm struggling a little to wrap my head around the Limit Level and Input Level. Also, I don't like that I have to then add another Level meter to see what's happening and then a dither plug. You know I never considered having all functions in one plug. When FGX goes 64 bit I have to check it out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 28, 2014 9:10:31 GMT -6
I've got Ozone 5 too...but the limiter is confusing to me. All the inter sample peak/mode/mbit/ thingys...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2014 9:45:01 GMT -6
Sometimes my lack of engineering skill is a bonus, I just dial a little compression, ( 2-4db), add some gain and I'm done. Now I'll have to learn what the heck else there is to do since John's discussing other aspects. I just leave the input level on zero.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2014 10:40:01 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/no-aom-stereo-imager Test track with and without the A.O.M Stereo Imager
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 28, 2014 10:41:02 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/with-the-aom-stereo-imager With A.O.M Stereo Imager
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