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Post by theshea on Jun 15, 2023 23:52:47 GMT -6
that‘s one great bass amp! had one in the studio yesterday for recording with a 2x10“ and it sounded grrreat! 99% i only record bass with a DI and then mix in a bit of amp simulation with a plugin. mostly because bassplayer amps are to big too loud or they don‘t have something suitable at all. this little package has it all: flexible (doh!), small/portable, sound! recorded with a md421 (close up the grill) and a violet design amethyst (30cm away) and i don‘t need a DI! did another song with a ehx soul food and ehx big muff in front and grrrrowl for ages! bass was a rickenbacker.  Small phone video: www.facebook.com/reel/926244678449444?fs=e&s=cl |
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Post by sean on Jun 16, 2023 9:05:55 GMT -6
They are great little amps! If I hadn't finally had found a B15N I could afford I would have grabbed it.
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Post by srb on Jun 16, 2023 14:50:08 GMT -6
I've owned one the last several years, and it's a killer rig. I don't generally mic bass cabs much anymore, but in a no-cans-live setting and running the direct out from the Ampeg---it's perfect.
Last chain that I used was the Ampeg > Avalon AD2022 > A Designs EMPQ > Crane Song Falcon > Lynx Aurora (n). Everybody loved it.
It's a fine studio bass amp. Love it.
Love to have a B15N, but this will do just fine.
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Post by theshea on Jun 17, 2023 0:12:04 GMT -6
how do you phase align DI and amp track? any new plugins out there? or by eye/ear?
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Post by srb on Jun 17, 2023 6:20:29 GMT -6
Little Labs IBP. Never hurts to blow up the wave forms and check phase, either. There's another (newer?) plug...thread on it...that's an alignment tool. Most folks were talking about it for drums. Can't recall the plugin name.
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Post by sean on Jun 17, 2023 6:56:08 GMT -6
Auto-Align 2. It works great. It makes a pretty shocking difference sometimes...but especially with drums or blending DI and mics.
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Post by Quint on Jun 17, 2023 7:47:21 GMT -6
that‘s one great bass amp! had one in the studio yesterday for recording with a 2x10“ and it sounded grrreat! 99% i only record bass with a DI and then mix in a bit of amp simulation with a plugin. mostly because bassplayer amps are to big too loud or they don‘t have something suitable at all. this little package has it all: flexible (doh!), small/portable, sound! recorded with a md421 (close up the grill) and a violet design amethyst (30cm away) and i don‘t need a DI! did another song with a ehx soul food and ehx big muff in front and grrrrowl for ages! bass was a rickenbacker.  Small phone video: www.facebook.com/reel/926244678449444?fs=e&s=clI have the PF20t and feel the same way about it. These little Ampegs are great, and I love the two different DI options (pre amp AND power amp outputs) in the back. You don't even have to have a cab connected if you don't want to, which is kind of rare for tube amps. I do however have a matching Ampeg 12" cab that I keep miced up with a RE-20. The PF50t and PF20t are just really flexible and sound great. I've been singing their praises ever since I bought one about five years ago. I'd think it's the only bass amp you'd need in a lot of studios, as it'd probably take care of the majority of your needs. Oh, and the ability to replace tubes and be able to easily bias it just by using the little LED and mini screw pot on the back (no tech required) is a nice feature too. |
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Post by theshea on Jun 17, 2023 9:44:12 GMT -6
that‘s one great bass amp! had one in the studio yesterday for recording with a 2x10“ and it sounded grrreat! 99% i only record bass with a DI and then mix in a bit of amp simulation with a plugin. mostly because bassplayer amps are to big too loud or they don‘t have something suitable at all. this little package has it all: flexible (doh!), small/portable, sound! recorded with a md421 (close up the grill) and a violet design amethyst (30cm away) and i don‘t need a DI! did another song with a ehx soul food and ehx big muff in front and grrrrowl for ages! bass was a rickenbacker. Small phone video: www.facebook.com/reel/926244678449444?fs=e&s=clI have the PF20t and feel the same way about it. These little Ampegs are great, and I love the two different DI options (pre amp AND power amp outputs) in the back. You don't even have to have a cab connected if you don't want to, which is kind of rare for tube amps. I do however have a matching Ampeg 12" cab that I keep miced up with a RE-20. The PF50t and PF20t are just really flexible and sound great. I've been singing their praises ever since I bought one about five years ago. I'd think it's the only bass amp you'd need in a lot of studios, as it'd probably take care of the majority of your needs. would love to try a RE20 on bass cab once - i don‘t own one. i prefered the md421 on this session after trying some different mics. i almost never find a use for the me421 except toms. it gives me good bite from the amp. the coean deep lows i am getting from the DI. wish every bassplayer could gome in with a pr50/20t! |
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Post by theshea on Jun 17, 2023 9:45:22 GMT -6
Auto-Align 2. It works great. It makes a pretty shocking difference sometimes...but especially with drums or blending DI and mics. expensive … but gonna check it |
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Post by Quint on Jun 17, 2023 10:36:23 GMT -6
I have the PF20t and feel the same way about it. These little Ampegs are great, and I love the two different DI options (pre amp AND power amp outputs) in the back. You don't even have to have a cab connected if you don't want to, which is kind of rare for tube amps. I do however have a matching Ampeg 12" cab that I keep miced up with a RE-20. The PF50t and PF20t are just really flexible and sound great. I've been singing their praises ever since I bought one about five years ago. I'd think it's the only bass amp you'd need in a lot of studios, as it'd probably take care of the majority of your needs. wish every bassplayer could gome in with a pr50/20t! Just buy one. Then you'll always have it. They're not THAT expensive. I just keep my PF20t set up 100% of the time and only deviate from using it if I'm specifically feeling something different, and even then, that something different would probably only ever be in the context of reamping, not tracking. I just take a straight bass guitar DI signal out of a RNDI (for a naked DI signal if I need it for reamping or for amp sims, pedal fun, etc.), then take the preamp and power amp DI signals out of the Ampeg, and then also the RE20 on the cab. So that's four signals coming out of the bass rig, ready to all be recorded at once at any time. One or more of those four inputs, individually or as a combo, pretty much always works for me. Maybe one day I'll buy a B15, but I'm pretty happy with this setup. |
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Post by christophert on Jun 23, 2023 0:35:57 GMT -6
I purchased the PF20t about 6 months ago, and always find it a boring amp, and so far, so does every bass player coming through.
I'm looking to change the tubes to see if I can get it to sound great.
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Post by theshea on Jun 24, 2023 5:38:22 GMT -6
I purchased the PF20t about 6 months ago, and always find it a boring amp, and so far, so does every bass player coming through. I'm looking to change the tubes to see if I can get it to sound great. i don‘t rhink changing tube will change your opinion on the amp. i think the amp rather does not suit your taste. strange though that none of the other bassists liked it. |
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Post by christophert on Jun 24, 2023 17:33:08 GMT -6
I purchased the PF20t about 6 months ago, and always find it a boring amp, and so far, so does every bass player coming through. I'm looking to change the tubes to see if I can get it to sound great. i don‘t rhink changing tube will change your opinion on the amp. i think the amp rather does not suit your taste. strange though that none of the other bassists liked it. It's worth a try - I'm investigating relevant NOS tubes and hope to get more character out of it.
It sounds really sterile (too clean) compared to the B15's that I have used.
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Post by Quint on Jun 25, 2023 11:16:31 GMT -6
i don‘t rhink changing tube will change your opinion on the amp. i think the amp rather does not suit your taste. strange though that none of the other bassists liked it. It's worth a try - I'm investigating relevant NOS tubes and hope to get more character out of it.
It sounds really sterile (too clean) compared to the B15's that I have used.
This might be a dumb question, but have you cranked it up? These amps can absolutely produce a lot of dirt if you want it, but you gotta crank them up. I'm not just talking about the gain knob either. The EQ also totally plays a role too. The EQ knobs are adding their own gain. It can make a big difference. |
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Post by christophert on Jun 25, 2023 15:54:08 GMT -6
It's worth a try - I'm investigating relevant NOS tubes and hope to get more character out of it.
It sounds really sterile (too clean) compared to the B15's that I have used.
This might be a dumb question, but have you cranked it up? These amps can absolutely produce a lot of dirt if you want it, but you gotta crank them up. I'm not just talking about the gain knob either. The EQ also totally plays a role too. The EQ knobs are adding their own gain. It can make a big difference. No I haven't actually. I purchased it thinking the 20w would be perfect in the studio as it could run not too loud to get a more tubey sound - not really distorted.
I often have a bass amp and guitar amp in my iso booth room, so I need the bass amp to have more character at a medium / lower volume level.
I might see if my tech can find a more character tube on the preamp side, and try that. Maybe I need to try a power soak?
More experimentation to be done 
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Post by Quint on Jun 25, 2023 16:10:37 GMT -6
This might be a dumb question, but have you cranked it up? These amps can absolutely produce a lot of dirt if you want it, but you gotta crank them up. I'm not just talking about the gain knob either. The EQ also totally plays a role too. The EQ knobs are adding their own gain. It can make a big difference. No I haven't actually. I purchased it thinking the 20w would be perfect in the studio as it could run not too loud to get a more tubey sound - not really distorted.
I often have a bass amp and guitar amp in my iso booth room, so I need the bass amp to have more character at a medium / lower volume level.
I might see if my tech can find a more character tube on the preamp side, and try that. Maybe I need to try a power soak?
More experimentation to be done
Just crank it up. I'd try that first. Also, if, for example, your eq settings are like at 9 o'clock, noon, and 9 o'clock, I'd crank them each by the same amount, to something like noon, 3 o'clock, and noon or even 3 o'clock, max, and 3 o'clock. It makes a difference. And it's worth mentioning that it won't be some sort of proportional increase in volume, for whatever that's worth. Even with everything dimed, as is often the case with tube amps, doubling the gain doesn't necessarily mean that you're doubling the volume. A lot of that additional boost will just get soaked up and result in extra hair. |
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Post by christophert on Jun 25, 2023 23:32:26 GMT -6
No I haven't actually. I purchased it thinking the 20w would be perfect in the studio as it could run not too loud to get a more tubey sound - not really distorted.
I often have a bass amp and guitar amp in my iso booth room, so I need the bass amp to have more character at a medium / lower volume level.
I might see if my tech can find a more character tube on the preamp side, and try that. Maybe I need to try a power soak?
More experimentation to be done
Just crank it up. I'd try that first. Also, if, for example, your eq settings are like at 9 o'clock, noon, and 9 o'clock, I'd crank them each by the same amount, to something like noon, 3 o'clock, and noon or even 3 o'clock, max, and 3 o'clock. It makes a difference. And it's worth mentioning that it won't be some sort of proportional increase in volume, for whatever that's worth. Even with everything dimed, as is often the case with tube amps, doubling the gain doesn't necessarily mean that you're doubling the volume. A lot of that additional boost will just get soaked up and result in extra hair. Awesome - thanks for the tips !! |
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Post by theshea on Jun 26, 2023 0:04:08 GMT -6
yeah crank the gain and the volume first. i just put the pf50t recorded bass tracks in the mix yesterday and it sounded ace!
today the bassist returns to my studio with the amp for a second song. i am looking forward to it!
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Post by theshea on Jun 26, 2023 12:02:20 GMT -6
bassist was at my studio today again with his pf50t and had a fender jazz bass from the 80‘s and a rickenbacker. both sounded totally different through the bass amp but both great. miked it again with a md421 close up and a violet design amethyst 30cm away. DI got captured as well. used melda mauto align to get them in phase and i made a quick raw mix and used all three tracks! he again used his ehx big muff and sould food pedals for fuzz and crunch.
i made him play without the pedals as well and i liked what i heard. the different bass guitars came through really with their own character.
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Post by bikescene on Jun 29, 2023 6:05:48 GMT -6
What cabinet/speakers are you using with the PF50T?
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Post by theshea on Jun 30, 2023 3:08:04 GMT -6
What cabinet/speakers are you using with the PF50T? Ampeg SVT-210AV Bass Box |
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Post by Quint on Jun 30, 2023 8:17:22 GMT -6
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Post by theshea on Jun 30, 2023 9:34:49 GMT -6
the 2x 10“ sounds really good. no reason to complain.
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Post by srb on Jul 11, 2023 7:23:20 GMT -6
I'm using the 15" here. Like to try the 2 x 10. Really like this amp.
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