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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 12, 2023 10:35:56 GMT -6
R-Eq was the prototype of the Massive Passive!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 12:46:57 GMT -6
Does anyone still use, or even like, Waves R-EQ (Rennaisance)? Waves Renaissance series is good stuff. It’s just waves so wup rent collection and draconian licensing. |
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Post by explorer on Jun 12, 2023 14:35:54 GMT -6
I’m not sure why, but there’s something cool about the Metric Halo Channelstrip EQ (even though it’s ancient). Also used to like Waves Req for some reason.
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Post by jaba on Jun 12, 2023 16:26:21 GMT -6
Does anyone still use, or even like, Waves R-EQ (Rennaisance)? Haven't used the Renaissance stuff in years but I always regarded it as a good, to-the-point EQ plug. I didn't like the linear phase stuff or at least the low end one. Did weird phase things. Not sure if it's part of the R-series though. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jun 12, 2023 16:43:21 GMT -6
Does anyone still use, or even like, Waves R-EQ (Rennaisance)? Haven't used the Renaissance stuff in years but I always regarded it as a good, to-the-point EQ plug. I didn't like the linear phase stuff or at least the low end one. Did weird phase things. Not sure if it's part of the R-series though. I actually revisited LinMB recently and was pretty shocked at how well it performed. Not transparent at all, but if you dial it in right, it has a really cool sound. Surprisingly, it works great for mastering. Some of the old Waves stuff is really special — RenAxx, RBass, and L1/L2 are still bread and butter plugs for me. |
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Post by jaba on Jun 13, 2023 10:31:12 GMT -6
I never used the LinMB. The one I thought was totally weird was the low end EQ. Only really used it for mastering. A 0.1dB change could shift the phase somehow, or something like that. Never tested it but it sounded very odd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2023 11:43:59 GMT -6
I’m not sure why, but there’s something cool about the Metric Halo Channelstrip EQ (even though it’s ancient). Also used to like Waves Req for some reason. metric halo channel strip is about as digitally dirty of an eq that you can still buy. Single precision direct form biquads with low frequency noise that rises at higher sample rates. One of the worst high pass filters around. Even Waves converted q10 to double precision processing years ago so all the errors are still there, just pushed way down. The apogee symphony channel strip also has a terribly dirty eq. The curves are cool, it’s just digital dirt everywhere so only good for monitor mixes running off the apogee dsp mixer. |
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Post by explorer on Jun 14, 2023 2:51:31 GMT -6
I’m not sure why, but there’s something cool about the Metric Halo Channelstrip EQ (even though it’s ancient). Also used to like Waves Req for some reason. metric halo channel strip is about as digitally dirty of an eq that you can still buy. Single precision direct form biquads with low frequency noise that rises at higher sample rates. One of the worst high pass filters around. Even Waves converted q10 to double precision processing years ago so all the errors are still there, just pushed way down. The apogee symphony channel strip also has a terribly dirty eq. The curves are cool, it’s just digital dirt everywhere so only good for monitor mixes running off the apogee dsp mixer. Thought you were gonna say that. :-) No doubt the DSP is pretty old fashioned, but it’s really good for sculpting a tone. Maybe the way the controls are setup? Still see some big pop mixers reaching for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 10:04:34 GMT -6
metric halo channel strip is about as digitally dirty of an eq that you can still buy. Single precision direct form biquads with low frequency noise that rises at higher sample rates. One of the worst high pass filters around. Even Waves converted q10 to double precision processing years ago so all the errors are still there, just pushed way down. The apogee symphony channel strip also has a terribly dirty eq. The curves are cool, it’s just digital dirt everywhere so only good for monitor mixes running off the apogee dsp mixer. Thought you were gonna say that. :-) No doubt the DSP is pretty old fashioned, but it’s really good for sculpting a tone. Maybe the way the controls are setup? Still see some big pop mixers reaching for it. it is not old fashioned. It is just bad. the people using it are just old and don’t want to change even if the metric halo plugins involve additional inserts of cleaner eqs (that used to be expensive in the early 2000s) that could’ve been used in the first place to filter their low frequency issues similar to the old bullshit pro tools eqs and mcdsp filter bank workflows. On large projects and with dynamics processing, the low frequency noise will break through eventually, especially at 96 khz. They will blow up with any automation. If you want to change tones, there are a ton of good 3 band eqs now and even tilt filters from Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, and Fabfilter. Surgical eqs, there are ones that specialize in very narrow cut qs like the Weiss EQ-1, MDWEQ, and Oxford Mode 2. Almost anything you can buy and what comes with your daw if you’re using daws that came out after the the year 2000 is better than the Metric Halo Channel Strip. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 14, 2023 12:14:12 GMT -6
Does anyone still use, or even like, Waves R-EQ (Rennaisance)? Yes. I haven't dug it up in a while but most of the Renaissance stuff is really good, honestly. Amazing how well its held up. I don't know many plugins still being used from 1998 or whenever. I wish it has some new features - the RTA is a bit choppy and hurts my brain, I don't think it has mouse modifiers for Q or things like that. Dragging the points has a weird weight to it. BUT. It does sound really good. I like it a lot along with TDR Slick and Sonnox Oxford EQ. Probably the best sounding EQs I've found ITB along with the new MDW EQ. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 14, 2023 15:38:48 GMT -6
Crave EQ. Love it. Use it on everything. It has switchable algorithms as well so you can tailor it to your needs. Wish it had the dynamic eq. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 14, 2023 15:41:30 GMT -6
Thought you were gonna say that. :-) No doubt the DSP is pretty old fashioned, but it’s really good for sculpting a tone. Maybe the way the controls are setup? Still see some big pop mixers reaching for it. even if the metric halo plugins involve additional inserts of cleaner eqs (that used to be expensive in the early 2000s) that could’ve been used in the first place to filter their low frequency issues similar to the old bullshit pro tools eqs and mcdsp filter bank workflows. On large projects and with dynamics processing, the low frequency noise will break through eventually, especially at 96 khz. They will blow up with any automation. If you want to change tones, there are a ton of good 3 band eqs now and even tilt filters from Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, and Fabfilter. Surgical eqs, there are ones that specialize in very narrow cut qs like the Weiss EQ-1, MDWEQ, and Oxford Mode 2. Almost anything you can buy and what comes with your daw if you’re using daws that came out after the the year 2000 is better than the Metric Halo Channel Strip. Dude. Really? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 19:49:42 GMT -6
it is not old fashioned. It is just bad. the people using it are just old and don’t want to change even if the metric halo plugins involve additional inserts of cleaner eqs (that used to be expensive in the early 2000s) that could’ve been used in the first place to filter their low frequency issues similar to the old bullshit pro tools eqs and mcdsp filter bank workflows. On large projects and with dynamics processing, the low frequency noise will break through eventually, especially at 96 khz. They will blow up with any automation. If you want to change tones, there are a ton of good 3 band eqs now and even tilt filters from Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, and Fabfilter. Surgical eqs, there are ones that specialize in very narrow cut qs like the Weiss EQ-1, MDWEQ, and Oxford Mode 2. Almost anything you can buy and what comes with your daw if you’re using daws that came out after the the year 2000 is better than the Metric Halo Channel Strip. Dude. Really? yes the people using metric halo channel strip outside of metric halo hardware dsp for monitor mixes were itb 20+ years ago or people who think that using the eq they use will make them as popular as those old itb producers who are old, set in their ways, and don't want to change. not that they have any real reason to.
metric halo channel strip always had dirty eq, ineffective high pass filter, with dirty/ineffective dynamics processors. even for old plugs, sony/sonnox oxford, waves renaissance, eventide ultrachannel, and mcdsp (not the dynamics) are a lot cleaner. so is the eq that comes with most daws. eq8 in ableton is pretty good so is the free js:reeq in reaper.
the only plugin eq I have installed that has similar numerical artifacts is the apogee symphony channel strip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 20:29:59 GMT -6
they might also like the warmer sound that rising rounding errors can give but the low frequency artifacts can break through and will affect headroom and clarity as the more erroneous filters stack up across the mix not that someone mixing into some crazy filters and ancient limiter (guilty sometimes myself of that and of using lazy junk like the apogee channel strip) will really care about that. safer to just not use such eqs as go to eq and get more headroom. i've had some bad stuff happen with dc offset and distortion near dc.
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