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Post by linas on Jun 7, 2023 6:41:13 GMT -6
 Hey I listened to them, they sounded great and they aren't super expensive but they promise to sound as good as those much higher priced headphones from Audeze and the likes. What do you think? Have your heard them? |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2023 19:41:23 GMT -6
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the same thing as Audeze or a similar high end consumer planer. The dirty secret of highend Boutique headphones is very few of these small brands build their own and if they do the drivers are built by an OEM. So many of these OEM’s will build you pretty much the same thing with some slight changes.
Even Beats are made by OEM manufacturers, I have told the story before of when my son was younger I opened up his $10 target headphone’s and they had the same drivers as a Pair of Beats I was rewiring for a friend.
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Post by linas on Jun 8, 2023 2:15:21 GMT -6
Ordering drivers from OEMs for 10 bucks sounds like a solid business plan to me. Yeah, I've heard that headphones cost 8 euros to make, but it's just so crazy that they retail for 500-2500. I should probably get into this business asap  |
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Post by svart on Jun 8, 2023 7:23:33 GMT -6
Aren't super expensive? They list for 800$.. Anyway, a pic of the inside/driver:  They look like cheap plastic headphones. Look at the solder joints. They don't even clean the rosin off. Look at the plastic frame.. These look like 20$ class headphones to me. |
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Post by linas on Jun 8, 2023 7:47:49 GMT -6
Aren't super expensive? They list for 800$.. Anyway, a pic of the inside/driver: They look like cheap plastic headphones. Look at the solder joints. They don't even clean the rosin off. Look at the plastic frame.. These look like 20$ class headphones to me. Well, I expected to get them for 630 eur and I thought that that was way cheaper than 2090 eur for MM-500  The guy at the shop said that it was a good deal, even though later he emailed the price, which was 749 eur. Yeah, they don't look too good. Craaaazyy! |
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Post by svart on Jun 8, 2023 8:01:43 GMT -6
Aren't super expensive? They list for 800$.. Anyway, a pic of the inside/driver: They look like cheap plastic headphones. Look at the solder joints. They don't even clean the rosin off. Look at the plastic frame.. These look like 20$ class headphones to me. Well, I expected to get them for 630 eur and I thought that that was way cheaper than 2090 eur for MM-500 The guy at the shop said that it was a good deal, even though later he emailed the price, which was 749 eur. Yeah, they don't look too good. Craaaazyy! For the price, the Hifiman Sundara are great headphones. Very well made. They are planar types though, so a little different tonally than you might be used to if you have only used dynamic headphones. They're heavy, so they can be a little fatiguing on your head. Otherwise the DT770 Pro 250 ohm are my second favorites for studio headphones. Much lighter to wear. Not as well made as the Sundara but good enough for the price. You can find these on sale occasionally. |
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Post by linas on Jun 8, 2023 8:05:44 GMT -6
I've heard good things about Sundara's! I see that I can get them here for 349 eur, which isn't outrageous. I currently have AKG K271 MKII. They are okay. I used to work with AKG K240 MKII, but they broke down. I really liked them, probably because I was used to them.
Do you know how these headphones would compare to Sundara's?
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Post by svart on Jun 8, 2023 8:23:37 GMT -6
I've heard good things about Sundara's! I see that I can get them here for 349 eur, which isn't outrageous. I currently have AKG K271 MKII. They are okay. I used to work with AKG K240 MKII, but they broke down. I really liked them, probably because I was used to them. Do you know how these headphones would compare to Sundara's? Sorry, I don't know. The sundaras are very detailed sounding. The feel bass-light at first and the brightness can be strange if you are used to headphones with a hyped low end. The high end can sound a bit brittle if the source material is not good. Well recorded/mixed audio will sound very good on them so I find they work well for mixing and problem-finding. One drawback of planar type headphones are that they are completely open-back headphones. They do not block any external sound at all and you can hear everything through them. Good for mixing, but almost useless for tracking anything loud. The open nature will also spill sound outwards too, so you can't use them in situations where the mics are sensitive and the preamp gain is high. Using them for something like recording acoustic guitar would probably pick up a lot of bleed. |
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Post by linas on Jun 8, 2023 8:40:28 GMT -6
I've heard good things about Sundara's! I see that I can get them here for 349 eur, which isn't outrageous. I currently have AKG K271 MKII. They are okay. I used to work with AKG K240 MKII, but they broke down. I really liked them, probably because I was used to them. Do you know how these headphones would compare to Sundara's? Sorry, I don't know. The sundaras are very detailed sounding. The feel bass-light at first and the brightness can be strange if you are used to headphones with a hyped low end. The high end can sound a bit brittle if the source material is not good. Well recorded/mixed audio will sound very good on them so I find they work well for mixing and problem-finding. One drawback of planar type headphones are that they are completely open-back headphones. They do not block any external sound at all and you can hear everything through them. Good for mixing, but almost useless for tracking anything loud. The open nature will also spill sound outwards too, so you can't use them in situations where the mics are sensitive and the preamp gain is high. Using them for something like recording acoustic guitar would probably pick up a lot of bleed. Oh yeah, that's fine. If I'll need to record something, I can always pick up the K271's, they are closed back, made for recording, no problem there. I am looking for open back headphones for mixing and maybe even mastering (?). If they can push me to make a good mix, I'm all for that. My speakers are quite bright, though their bass is pretty wild, I guess it's all good. K240 MKII were dark, I loved them, but yeah, probably only because I used them for many many years. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 8, 2023 9:08:30 GMT -6
Sorry, I don't know. The sundaras are very detailed sounding. The feel bass-light at first and the brightness can be strange if you are used to headphones with a hyped low end. The high end can sound a bit brittle if the source material is not good. Well recorded/mixed audio will sound very good on them so I find they work well for mixing and problem-finding. One drawback of planar type headphones are that they are completely open-back headphones. They do not block any external sound at all and you can hear everything through them. Good for mixing, but almost useless for tracking anything loud. The open nature will also spill sound outwards too, so you can't use them in situations where the mics are sensitive and the preamp gain is high. Using them for something like recording acoustic guitar would probably pick up a lot of bleed. Oh yeah, that's fine. If I'll need to record something, I can always pick up the K271's, they are closed back, made for recording, no problem there. I am looking for open back headphones for mixing and maybe even mastering (?). If they can push me to make a good mix, I'm all for that. My speakers are quite bright, though their bass is pretty wild, I guess it's all good. K240 MKII were dark, I loved them, but yeah, probably only because I used them for many many years. For Mastering a pair of Bstock Monoprice Electrostatic’s is worth waiting for. The Achilles heel of these is the poor quality of the parts used in the amp. I changed the plug on mine and use them next to the STAX with the STAX amp. Better built than the Kloss. |
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Post by linas on Jun 8, 2023 14:19:49 GMT -6
Oh yeah, that's fine. If I'll need to record something, I can always pick up the K271's, they are closed back, made for recording, no problem there. I am looking for open back headphones for mixing and maybe even mastering (?). If they can push me to make a good mix, I'm all for that. My speakers are quite bright, though their bass is pretty wild, I guess it's all good. K240 MKII were dark, I loved them, but yeah, probably only because I used them for many many years. For Mastering a pair of Bstock Monoprice Electrostatic’s is worth waiting for. The Achilles heel of these is the poor quality of the parts used in the amp. I changed the plug on mine and use them next to the STAX with the STAX amp. Better built than the Kloss. Thanks, Eric! These look interesting. How would they work for mixing and music making? |
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Post by ericn on Jun 8, 2023 14:36:08 GMT -6
For Mastering a pair of Bstock Monoprice Electrostatic’s is worth waiting for. The Achilles heel of these is the poor quality of the parts used in the amp. I changed the plug on mine and use them next to the STAX with the STAX amp. Better built than the Kloss. Thanks, Eric! These look interesting. How would they work for mixing and music making? Great mixing except the lowend, tracking not something I would use ESL except the very rare and expensive closed model STAX used to make. ESL’s are best described this way “ ATC’s want to be ESL’s when they grow up.” They won’t play as well loud as dynamics but overall ESL is probably the best type of Fullrange driver. |
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Post by linas on Jun 9, 2023 3:08:09 GMT -6
Thanks, Eric! These look interesting. How would they work for mixing and music making? Great mixing except the lowend, tracking not something I would use ESL except the very rare and expensive closed model STAX used to make. ESL’s are best described this way “ ATC’s want to be ESL’s when they grow up.” They won’t play as well loud as dynamics but overall ESL is probably the best type of Fullrange driver. What do you think about these ones? www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=37897 |
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2023 5:48:34 GMT -6
Great mixing except the lowend, tracking not something I would use ESL except the very rare and expensive closed model STAX used to make. ESL’s are best described this way “ ATC’s want to be ESL’s when they grow up.” They won’t play as well loud as dynamics but overall ESL is probably the best type of Fullrange driver. What do you think about these ones? www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=37897Those are the same as the ones I have. |
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2023 7:36:05 GMT -6
I have a set of Monoprice planar headphones. Not sure of the model though. They are very well built and relatively inexpensive to me (bought open-box) but I found that they have a weird presence peak in the upper mid frequencies. Somewhere around 3K or so has a large bump in both sides. I assume that this is just how they sound.
I didn't notice it at first, but after some listening and some mixing, I noticed some darkness in my mixes on other speakers/headphones. Once I noticed this, I couldn't unhear the frequency bump and now I don't really use these headphones much anymore. The Sundara are much better.
I haven't used the Monoprice electrostatic headphones, but I'd be careful to make sure you can return them if necessary. Since I bought mine open-box they were unreturnable (at the time. Seems that monoprice might allow open-box returns now).
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Post by linas on Jun 9, 2023 11:33:08 GMT -6
Those are the same as the ones I have. That's actually good cause I had already ordered them before asking the question. I see it, I grab it. Just like my mother. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2023 11:34:31 GMT -6
Those are the same as the ones I have. That's actually good cause I had already ordered them before asking the question. I see it, I grab it. Just like my mother. That’s dangerous young man! I know because I have the very same problem 😁 |
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Post by linas on Jun 9, 2023 11:35:32 GMT -6
I have a set of Monoprice planar headphones. Not sure of the model though. They are very well built and relatively inexpensive to me (bought open-box) but I found that they have a weird presence peak in the upper mid frequencies. Somewhere around 3K or so has a large bump in both sides. I assume that this is just how they sound. I didn't notice it at first, but after some listening and some mixing, I noticed some darkness in my mixes on other speakers/headphones. Once I noticed this, I couldn't unhear the frequency bump and now I don't really use these headphones much anymore. The Sundara are much better. I haven't used the Monoprice electrostatic headphones, but I'd be careful to make sure you can return them if necessary. Since I bought mine open-box they were unreturnable (at the time. Seems that monoprice might allow open-box returns now). They will have to work because I won't be able to return them since I live in Eastern Europe and I ordered them from the US shop by this crazy good service where you do not have to pay any import taxes, just for the shipping. I hope Sundara's work for you cause they were on my list |
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2023 11:40:52 GMT -6
I have a set of Monoprice planar headphones. Not sure of the model though. They are very well built and relatively inexpensive to me (bought open-box) but I found that they have a weird presence peak in the upper mid frequencies. Somewhere around 3K or so has a large bump in both sides. I assume that this is just how they sound. I didn't notice it at first, but after some listening and some mixing, I noticed some darkness in my mixes on other speakers/headphones. Once I noticed this, I couldn't unhear the frequency bump and now I don't really use these headphones much anymore. The Sundara are much better. I haven't used the Monoprice electrostatic headphones, but I'd be careful to make sure you can return them if necessary. Since I bought mine open-box they were unreturnable (at the time. Seems that monoprice might allow open-box returns now). They will have to work because I won't be able to return them since I live in Eastern Europe and I ordered them from the US shop by this crazy good service where you do not have to pay any import taxes, just for the shipping. I hope Sundara's work for you cause they were on my list My wife’s boss hates me for introducing him to the mono price ESL’s because they show all the warts and mistakes. He hates them so much that they now live in his office and has a pair of the top of the line STAX at home. He hates those so much that after I showed him STAX had made some very rare ESL speakers that he is now on the hunt and almost imported a pair from Japan! |
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Post by linas on Jun 9, 2023 11:48:49 GMT -6
They will have to work because I won't be able to return them since I live in Eastern Europe and I ordered them from the US shop by this crazy good service where you do not have to pay any import taxes, just for the shipping. I hope Sundara's work for you cause they were on my list My wife’s boss hates me for introducing him to the mono price ESL’s because they show all the warts and mistakes. He hates them so much that they now live in his office and has a pair of the top of the line STAX at home. He hates those so much that after I showed him STAX had made some very rare ESL speakers that he is now on the hunt and almost imported a pair from Japan! HAHA, pretty cool! I will put them to good use. They should be in my hands in two weeks. I'll report back. I hope the whole amp thing works okay, cause I've never used anything similar. I have a babyface... No, I mean I have RME soundcard. They say it's highend, but of course I'd love to get my dirty hands on something better, but hey, Babyface works. |
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2023 12:26:41 GMT -6
I'm now interested in how the electrostatic headphones sound in comparison to the planars.. I might have to take the plunge as well.
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Post by linas on Jun 21, 2023 2:25:18 GMT -6
Goddammit, just got the headphones and they came with a US charger
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Post by winetree on Jun 21, 2023 13:16:43 GMT -6
I have multiple pairs of all the Monoprice planar and electrostatic headphones.
When the Monoprice store was down the street, Rancho Cucamonga,
I was able to buy their planar headphones for $60. - $80 a pair at the store or parking lot sales.
Sorry, I really don't track or mix with headphones so I haven't sonically compared them. No help there.
but The studio musicians Love the planers, easier listening for long periods of time.
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Post by linas on Jul 4, 2023 9:49:11 GMT -6
Monoliths are really mastering headphones. I don't feel like they work for producing music. Something just doesn't work. I switch to monitors and I can get it done. Maybe I'm delulu idk
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The guy at the shop said that it was a good deal, even though later he emailed the price, which was 749 eur. 