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Post by craigmorris74 on Jun 5, 2023 20:13:15 GMT -6
Forget it. Totally useless. Moderators can delete this thread. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2023 10:42:06 GMT -6
1. Is disappointing. Hats really bother me and the bass requires so much effort to even make out.
2. The hats sound better and the bass sounds like a distinct instrument
3. Kind of goes to mush in the midrange, know what I mean? and the hats sound like a slurry mess when the secondary parts enter.
4. I can finally hear everything. hats aren't covering the snare with audio peanut butter, bass guitar is nicely defined, guitar part isn't mushy and then secondary parts enter without showing the other parts out of the way
Maybe I became accustomed to it by the time I got to the 4th one? Dunno why it sounds so much better to me.
I only listened on iMac speakers and Senn 380 headphones.
Probably translates different elsewhere, but it should always translate the nearly the same everywhere anyhow
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Post by drumsound on Jun 6, 2023 11:35:53 GMT -6
#1 I feel the BD is moving the mix. Not as much as JJP's 90s mixes, but similar
#2 The guitars felt wider and more spacious
#3 I felt enhanced the guitar melody more, including the clarity of its effects.
#4 Excentuates the part of the midrange that I personally don't like emphasized.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 6, 2023 11:36:58 GMT -6
1. Is disappointing. Hats really bother me and the bass requires so much effort to even make out. 2. The hats sound better and the bass sounds like a distinct instrument 3. Kind of goes to mush in the midrange, know what I mean? and the hats sound like a slurry mess when the secondary parts enter. 4. I can finally hear everything. hats aren't covering the snare with audio peanut butter, bass guitar is nicely defined, guitar part isn't mushy and then secondary parts enter without showing the other parts out of the way Maybe I became accustomed to it by the time I got to the 4th one? Dunno why it sounds so much better to me. I only listened on iMac speakers and Senn 380 headphones. Probably translates different elsewhere, but it should always translate the nearly the same everywhere anyhow The hat sound is problematic no matter what... |
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Post by zzz000 on Jun 6, 2023 18:49:20 GMT -6
I'm going to be honest, I don't think the bus compressor is consequential compared to everything else going on here...
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Post by mike on Jun 7, 2023 7:36:05 GMT -6
Forget it. Totally useless. Moderators can delete this thread.
I totally understand, but am bummed since I was planning on checking the clips when I had good cans and following the thread for what I might learn, but I was just too slow. Thanks for trying, and I'll look forward to the next time you do something like it again,
Mike
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Post by Ward on Jun 7, 2023 7:45:28 GMT -6
Forget it. Totally useless. Moderators can delete this thread. There's nothing wrong with what you posted. Peer review is a good thing, and I hope you weren't discouraged. I sincerely hope I didn't discourage you. If some of the comments pointed to what you didn't want to read, well, we've all been there and it sucks sometimes to find we've invested time into something and didn't get what we wanted and even sorta-kinda-maybe convinced ourselves we were getting results that we weren't No judgment, just conversing. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 7, 2023 9:21:32 GMT -6
Forget it. Totally useless. Moderators can delete this thread. There's nothing wrong with what you posted. Peer review is a good thing, and I hope you weren't discouraged. I sincerely hope I didn't discourage you. If some of the comments pointed to what you didn't want to read, well, we've all been there and it sucks sometimes to find we've invested time into something and didn't get what we wanted and even sorta-kinda-maybe convinced ourselves we were getting results that we weren't No judgment, just conversing. I'm with Ward. I wasn't trying to be judgmental. I took some time and felt invested in the thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 10:31:40 GMT -6
Unless you’re riding faders into and mixing into the bus compressor early to compensate for everything being modulated by everything else and the tonal changes, eg most ssl style comps usually need some shelf boosts, then you’re not going to have great results.
Unlike compression on channel inserts, almost all of which are prefader in both analog and digital, bus compression is not only controlling the artist being recorded or producer of the tracks, it is controlling you the mixer! Especially most common bus compressors with automatic secondary, long slower releases.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Jun 7, 2023 14:55:51 GMT -6
Should’ve done this with different source material I suppose. I didn’t track the song, and it was cut with a minimalist drum mic setup, not especially well.
But you guys that were scoring at home it was:
1-Smart C2
2-SSL x-logic
3-my GSSL
4-the SSL Bus Comp plugin
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Post by stam on Jun 7, 2023 15:07:10 GMT -6
So the SSL plugin sounds so much better than the the Smart C2 ?
I would have never imagined. The C2 is a great comp!!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 7, 2023 16:09:05 GMT -6
So the SSL plugin sounds so much better than the the Smart C2 ? I would have never imagined. The C2 is a great comp!! I thought the SSL plugin sounded the worst |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 16:15:49 GMT -6
So the SSL plugin sounds so much better than the the Smart C2 ? I would have never imagined. The C2 is a great comp!! its def the cleanest. But already with x-Logic and smart c2, distortion from the gain reduction itself and rectifier in the sidechain will dominate the sound over any inherent distortion in the amplification and the vca. Those THAT VCAs are hyper clean for what they are and so is SSL’s super analogue circuitry |
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Post by Ward on Jun 7, 2023 16:24:59 GMT -6
I'm not at all surprised!
2. Sounds about right
4. I work with that plug-in all the time on my 2-buss and not does what it is supposed to.
I would have expected better out of the C2, but it smeared the hats and bass in the most unflattering way. Even the greatest gear falters on occasion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 16:37:47 GMT -6
What ssl bus plugin? The ssl native one? What settings? What oversampling? It’s just standard digital feedback compressor with neither any real attempt to minimize distortion nor any oversampling until the current gui version. There’s at least the 10th versions of same algorithm from digital console to duende to 6 versions of native to 2 versions of the “2” version with the gui changed to match the uc1 hardware controller. The behavior cannot be identical because the rectifier is entirely full wave unlike the hardware.
The Glue in comparison circuit models fx g384 sidechain distortion and behavior and that’s it. Otherwise it’s a clean digital compressor. At 16x oversampling, much smoother behavior than other ssl bus plugs but of course it will not sound like any hardware.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 19, 2023 14:10:42 GMT -6
So the SSL plugin sounds so much better than the the Smart C2 ? I would have never imagined. The C2 is a great comp!! I’ve been using a C2 all week, it’s really special, has a cool box tone that sounds really great, almost like a gentle high mid lift or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 15:43:45 GMT -6
Bus compressors must be inserted as soon as possible because of the stereo shift.
Summed to mono sidechains will compress the center 6 db more than the sides.
Diode summed control voltages (greater of left or right) will compress the audio with the pan law of the mixer or console so on most boards and daws, the sides will be more heavily compressed.
You need to have the audio be over threshold in the sweet spot as soon as possible in production with the faders set into it.
The only drawback then to a mono summed sidechain is under-compressing out of phase audio.
You cannot just insert a stereo compressor on your master bus and compare it to another.
Usually the best bus compressor then is "none" because your stereo image, balance, and all of your fader moves will be screwed up.
Even -1 VU of gain reduction (the sweet spot with some bus compressors) is quite a lot of gain reduction when you consider that VU meters have a 300 ms rise time.
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