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Post by seawell on Jun 3, 2023 8:07:28 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2023 9:04:47 GMT -6
Was just coming here to post this.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 3, 2023 9:34:18 GMT -6
Significantly less money than the Shelford, but I've no doubt sounds very good. There are some incredibly smart people at RND on both the design and business sides. I heard about this about a week before the release and my friend there was pretty excited about it.
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Post by schlep on Jun 3, 2023 9:36:15 GMT -6
Interestingly the Newton is transformerless (edited based on Drumsounds post below - this is transformerless input, but has a transformer in the output stage*). Still has Rupert Neve DNA. Im looking forward to hearing this.
* "sound" depends on the design as a whole, but in theory using a transformer on the output stage and not both output and input statge can provide a theoretically more clean / pure / correct signal, all else being equal.
Rupert passed in 2021, so the Newton may have already been in the pipeline. I find it interesting that through his carrer Rupert's designs became less colored (at least the design, I am not an expert in RN's designs, not have I heard them all by any stretch).
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Post by drumsound on Jun 3, 2023 9:41:25 GMT -6
Interestingly the Newton is transformerless. Still has Rupert Neve DNA. Im looking forward to hearing this. I think it's transformerless input, but transformer out.
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 9:45:54 GMT -6
Interestingly the Newton is transformerless. Still has Rupert Neve DNA. Im looking forward to hearing this. That and no ( THAT Jensen opamp pun intended) is how you build it cheaper!
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Post by notneeson on Jun 3, 2023 11:03:21 GMT -6
Interestingly the Newton is transformerless. Still has Rupert Neve DNA. Im looking forward to hearing this. I think it's transformerless input, but transformer out. Like the Phoenix mic pre, which gets overlooked a lot as they’re often mentioned in context with choosing a Neve style pre. Oh, and they sound great.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 4, 2023 22:22:40 GMT -6
I think it's transformerless input, but transformer out. Like the Phoenix mic pre, which gets overlooked a lot as they’re often mentioned in context with choosing a Neve style pre. Oh, and they sound great. Yea, that's why I have a whole mess of them. Some Neve-ish color, but it's own thing with that almost tube-like top end I only get on my AXIS 200vu. The EQs are great, not exactly my favorite but really great sounding gear.
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 7:29:03 GMT -6
This is very intriguing!
P.S. Anyone heard from Geoff Tanner lately?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2023 10:32:48 GMT -6
This is very intriguing! P.S. Anyone heard from Geoff Tanner lately? Don't think he comes here
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 10:49:24 GMT -6
This is very intriguing! P.S. Anyone heard from Geoff Tanner lately? Don't think he comes here Haven't seen him anywhere in a long long time. Maybe ericn johneppstein or chessparov or paulcheeba might know. Just curious, as he worked with Rupert back in the day, and made a contribution and built a business on that design lineage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 10:56:22 GMT -6
I’m sure it sounds good but is overpriced vs the 4 channels of transformer pres for 3 something k or a small mixer like the Alice or SSL for a little bit more.
At least it has a sweepable high pass vca comp (probably made from that chips) and not a diode bridge. But the compressor might be even less flexible than some diode bridge comps if it’s just a bog standard inoffensive THAT corp rms design like the THAT example build PDFs.
If this is truly all THAT chips, why not just get a Drawmer 1970 or 1972? Less than half the price per channel with more interesting compressor, expander, or filters just with Ivor Drawner’s name on it instead of Rupert Neve’s.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2023 10:59:54 GMT -6
Don't think he comes here Haven't seen him anywhere in a long long time. Maybe ericn johneppstein or chessparov or paulcheeba might know. Just curious, as he worked with Rupert back in the day, and made a contribution and built a business on that design lineage. I was talking Neve about a month ago with a guy and the same thing came to mind. I hope all is well and sent out a couple of texts to see if anyone had any news.
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Post by mike on Jun 5, 2023 19:02:07 GMT -6
Haven't seen him anywhere in a long long time. Maybe ericn johneppstein or chessparov or paulcheeba might know. Just curious, as he worked with Rupert back in the day, and made a contribution and built a business on that design lineage. I was talking Neve about a month ago with a guy and the same thing came to mind. I hope all is well and sent out a couple of texts to see if anyone had any news. Have only chatted with him once, but I see Geoff share his Neve experience and knowledge most every week in a Vintage Neve FB group, including this one.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 5, 2023 20:39:15 GMT -6
Don't think he comes here Haven't seen him anywhere in a long long time. Maybe ericn johneppstein or chessparov or paulcheeba might know. Just curious, as he worked with Rupert back in the day, and made a contribution and built a business on that design lineage. He had problems with his business partner I think and struggled to get back on track.
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Post by stratboy on Jun 6, 2023 10:19:38 GMT -6
I own and love two of Geoff’s GTQC channel strips. They are the core of my studio. I’ve kept in touch with Geoff over the time since I bought them, but my last couple of emails have gone unanswered. So I am very interested in any news.
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2023 10:31:07 GMT -6
Thank you ericn, mike, paulcheeba and stratboy It's a tough business and I hope he's fine. I have several friends in partnership type companies who have had a difficult time and it ha led to despondency in some cases.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 6, 2023 16:17:24 GMT -6
Thank you ericn, mike, paulcheeba and stratboy It's a tough business and I hope he's fine. I have several friends in partnership type companies who have had a difficult time and it ha led to despondency in some cases. My own Brother was my partner for 20 years and we haven’t spoken since.
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2023 17:41:39 GMT -6
Thank you ericn, mike, paulcheeba and stratboy It's a tough business and I hope he's fine. I have several friends in partnership type companies who have had a difficult time and it ha led to despondency in some cases. My own Brother was my partner for 20 years and we haven’t spoken since. I am so sad for you. I have similar experiences and situations. <sigh>
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Post by drumsound on Jun 6, 2023 22:26:06 GMT -6
Thank you ericn , mike , paulcheeba and stratboy It's a tough business and I hope he's fine. I have several friends in partnership type companies who have had a difficult time and it ha led to despondency in some cases. My own Brother was my partner for 20 years and we haven’t spoken since. My own Brother was my partner for 20 years and we haven’t spoken since. I am so sad for you. I have similar experiences and situations. <sigh> I watched my dad and uncle have a strained relationship due to business. When I was starting mine I called my brother and told him why I'd never ask him to be my partner. The only time we ever really fought was when we were in a band together.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 31, 2024 19:24:41 GMT -6
So did anyone actually pull the trigger and buy one of these?
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Post by drumsound on Jan 31, 2024 23:41:13 GMT -6
A friend of mine who moved to one of the Carolinas said a studio near him just bought 16 Newton Channels as their front end.
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Post by hadaja on Feb 1, 2024 1:01:45 GMT -6
So on the Warren hart Video, why would he push the mic pre hard if there is no transformer on the input to saturate? He does this for drums. Wouldnt he be pushing a solid state distortion into the EQ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2024 1:22:30 GMT -6
So did anyone actually pull the trigger and buy one of these? I tested one against an IAA and Shelford (before I sold it). Firstly I tested matt@IAA 's 500 series preamp vs the Shelford, in short it was a tossup. Let me just say they don't sound a million miles aways from each other, the IAA is a bit more natural or "vintage" sounding whereas the Shelford is somewhat more on the clean & detailed side. They're both inductor EQ's and I prefer the Shelford here however the VCA on the IAA is far better than the bridge diode on the Shelford. Then you look at the price, $3K difference for something that really is just different I guess? Now let's circle back to the Newton, yes I still preferred the VCA to the bridge diode of the Shelford however that's essentially where it ended. It's not that the Newton is a bad sounding channel, I don't think anything RND makes is anything less than excellent. However I came to the conclusion that the Newton is just too expensive for what it is, I'd rather have a rack of IAA's.
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Post by audiospecific on Feb 1, 2024 2:02:13 GMT -6
So on the Warren hart Video, why would he push the mic pre hard if there is no transformer on the input to saturate? He does this for drums. Wouldnt he be pushing a solid state distortion into the EQ? Input transformers don't saturate when the gain is turned up. That is on the output.
Also, when you build the channel, the mic pre is not going to clip the line stage, as the normal design goal is always have at least 15-20 db of headroom above everything.
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