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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2023 13:18:09 GMT -6
Button out sounds more modern to me (Carnhill). Sounds great btw. Which BAE did you compare it to? An MP or the full strip with EQ? Actually, the 500 which sounds pretty great. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 16, 2023 13:19:22 GMT -6
Looking back - apparently button out is Sowter
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Post by skav on Sept 23, 2023 3:30:53 GMT -6
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Post by skav on Oct 7, 2023 2:21:37 GMT -6
 I like it. Feels good and sounds good to my ears. BUT, is it normal for a 1073 preamp to cramp up when recording drums at it's highest gain levels (70-80)? Meaning the signal disappear completely for a second because of overload? |
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Post by niklas1073 on Oct 7, 2023 4:41:00 GMT -6
I like it. Feels good and sounds good to my ears. BUT, is it normal for a 1073 preamp to cramp up when recording drums at it's highest gain levels (70-80)? Meaning the signal disappear completely for a second because of overload? Listen to kick mic hereWhere is your attenuator at this point? And what is your daw peaking at this point? Sounds horrible. I have never had to go past 40 on my bae’s without attenuating quite a bit on really any source. Sm7b or similar might call for higher gains though. Even when I run toms on it i end up at 30 with a -20 attenuator behind my AT230 tom mics. Same with a fet47 on kick. Not owning a stam i might be wrong but your 70/80 sounds a LOT to me, beyond what the output attenuator would compensate for. |
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Post by skav on Oct 7, 2023 5:29:41 GMT -6
I like it. Feels good and sounds good to my ears. BUT, is it normal for a 1073 preamp to cramp up when recording drums at it's highest gain levels (70-80)? Meaning the signal disappear completely for a second because of overload? Listen to kick mic hereWhere is your attenuator at this point? And what is your daw peaking at this point? Sounds horrible. I have never had to go past 40 on my bae’s without attenuating quite a bit on really any source. Sm7b or similar might call for higher gains though. Even when I run toms on it i end up at 30 with a -20 attenuator behind my AT230 tom mics. Same with a fet47 on kick. Not owning a stam i might be wrong but your 70/80 sounds a LOT to me, beyond what the output attenuator would compensate for. I only need 30-40 gain to get a good level from a kick drum with my d112. This phenomenon above only happen at gain level 70-80, the very last ten gain levels. It happens on a loud source like a close miced kick drum. If my memory serve me right, I've had other clones with this happen too, I'm just not entirely sure, so I ask. My attenuator is very low, almost all he way down. I don't need to set the gain this high, I'm just experimenting to see how much I can practically clip the signal whilst tracking. I'm expecting this is normal behavior. But not sure, so I ask  |
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Post by niklas1073 on Oct 7, 2023 11:48:49 GMT -6
Where is your attenuator at this point? And what is your daw peaking at this point? Sounds horrible. I have never had to go past 40 on my bae’s without attenuating quite a bit on really any source. Sm7b or similar might call for higher gains though. Even when I run toms on it i end up at 30 with a -20 attenuator behind my AT230 tom mics. Same with a fet47 on kick. Not owning a stam i might be wrong but your 70/80 sounds a LOT to me, beyond what the output attenuator would compensate for. I only need 30-40 gain to get a good level from a kick drum with my d112. This phenomenon above only happen at gain level 70-80, the very last ten gain levels. It happens on a loud source like a close miced kick drum. If my memory serve me right, I've had other clones with this happen too, I'm just not entirely sure, so I ask. My attenuator is very low, almost all he way down. I don't need to set the gain this high, I'm just experimenting to see how much I can practically clip the signal whilst tracking. I'm expecting this is normal behavior. But not sure, so I ask Ok, I feel you. Yes, it's actually really interesting what happens there. Was just tracking but didn't have my 1073 on drums at the moment and couldn't strip the setup to try out if it behaves the same. I've hardly gone below half way on my attenuator either so never pushed it to the extent that I have any recall on something like that going on. Hopefully someone can chime in who can shed some science on this  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 17, 2023 16:44:39 GMT -6
OK - I just recorded two vocals...had the button out (the button labeled V/M) and was having some brighter stuff going on up top. Changed to Button In (pressed) and it's definitely the darker sounding. So now I'm thinking button in is the Sowter. One would think if something is labeled "V/M" the Vintage would be unpressed button out. Then you press button in for Modern. But that's certainly not what it sounds like.
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 17, 2023 16:48:07 GMT -6
OK - I just recorded two vocals...had the button out (the button labeled V/M) and was having some brighter stuff going on up top. Changed to Button In (pressed) and it's definitely the darker sounding. So now I'm thinking button in is the Sowter. One would think if something is labeled "V/M" the Vintage would be unpressed button out. Then you press button in for Modern. But that's certainly not what it sounds like. Yeah that would be the way I would interpret it too. Man i hate when gear have options on them… one trick ponies are down my alley, I just get ocd when there are options I have to choose from 🤣 |
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2023 12:22:09 GMT -6
Funny how the term 'modern' seems to keep changing every year.
Right now we're back to circa 1990 snare drum sound as being close to modern.
Same is true with any kind of gear . . . not being a grumpy old man again, just pointing out that 'current' might be a better term than 'modern'
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Post by patrickp on Mar 16, 2024 22:13:38 GMT -6
If you guys are still confused with the v/m switch I got a response from Stam. Confusing because Josh said the other way around. Hope it helps, Hi Patrick! My name is Vicente and I’m the engineer in charge of the Stam Audio technical support. Regarding your question, when there's no button pressed, the vintage output is engaged, so the audio will pass through Sowter transformers. Best regards, Vicente Cruz Vásquez www.stamaudio.com |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2024 10:36:38 GMT -6
I should record something with button in and button out…wait. I think I did already somewhere in the thread. Anyway…I’m trying it yet again because I think I was convinced…well I should say it this way…on mine:
Button Out = brighter more modern
Button In = darker more vintage
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2024 11:14:27 GMT -6
So, it defaults to the sowters being in circuit, pushing the button in takes them out of the circuit?
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Post by brenta on Mar 17, 2024 11:51:04 GMT -6
It has the option of switching between Sowter and Carnhill transformers. I’ve noticed similar to John—mine has more low end with the button pressed in.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2024 12:18:55 GMT -6
If it’s the way stam says, it could be a couple of things.
1) there were some wired incorrectly
Or
2) my understanding of what Carnhill and Sowter sound like are completely backwards
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2024 13:13:51 GMT -6
It has the option of switching between Sowter and Carnhill transformers. I’ve noticed similar to John—mine has more low end with the button pressed in. Do you mean louder, lower bass frequencies: what ? If you ran fab filter eq, you could take a screenshot and that would illustrate the freq and volume. |
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