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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 14:36:21 GMT -6
Oh he’s back? I remember his rage out of gearslutz over Core Audio audibly changing the sound vs standard 24-dithered AES and ASIO. Anyway, the plug has cramping and dc offset on some bands according to the gearspace thread. Do we know each other Dan? I posted in your thread on Core Audio issues a while back. You quit gearslutz after that and I deleted my account after getting frustrated over being attacked for pointing out cheap circuitry and poor anti alias filters. On your earlier post: The Metric Halo / Make Believe plugin claiming to perfectly emulate or nail hardware filters is impossible for any eq running internally at a 44.1 or 48 khz sample rate because the frequency response will cramp as you go up toward the Nyquist limit and above 4khz or So, is very audible. Even pre warping the filter to compensate for it, the phase is still changed. You must oversample to get both analog like frequency and phase response. Vlad Goncharov had a good post about this years ago but didn’t get into filter structure vladgsound.wordpress.com/2015/01/12/a-classification-of-digital-equalizers-draft/ |
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Post by thehightenor on May 6, 2023 14:38:47 GMT -6
The conversation in the P440 is quite weird in the GS topic. The developer dissing some people there in a rather harsh manner. And of course the ghost cable dude is dissing the 8200 in another topic 'cause he is involved with the P440. Should try both at some point anyway OR just wait for the next best game changing plugin eq. ha. Hi vvvooojjj, my name is Mark 'Robb' Robinson and I am a professional mastering engineer in Southern California, operating under Robinson Mastering. I also have a cable company called Ghost Cable that sells the same cable I have been using since 2015 - cable that ive done thousands of masters thru and finally decided to sell in 2022 due to encouragement from friends. Regarding my involvement with P440 EQ, I was not happy with analog styled mastering EQ plugins currently available so I collaborated with Pulsar Modular to try and surpass them all. And as far as I can tell, that goal was achieved. I know the Make Believe Sontec very well. I have used it on hundreds of masters prior to P440. When I compare it to both my old Sontec MES432 and current Sontec MES482 (both of which Burgess Macneal made for me), the Make Believe Sontec was much closer than anything ive heard from Acustica, T-Racks, etc. Close enough that I could now do a revision on the Sontec plugin without anyone knowing I avoided a full analog recall. Yet the more I used it, the more I noticed ugly things about the HF that did not match hardware, so I began avoid it above 3khz. I began pushing Ziad (the owner of Pulsar Modular, and the creator of P440) to make a better and better sounding EQ using the proportional Q bands found in P42 and P11, which I felt sounded fantastic to begin with, and deserving of a full blown mastering EQ layout. Months later and now that P440 has launched, of course there will be the typical criticism from anon engineers with nothing to lose. All I ask is that people take a listen and let their ears decide. What did I get out of it? Yes, some NFR licenses for myself and my assistants and a Ghost Cable shoutout on a PM newsletter. If I thought the plugin sucked I would have ghosted him and his products long ago rather than tell him the brutal truth. But they sound great and as a result im now selling my Knif Soma which Jonte built for me in 2014. Dont miss it at all. -Robb I have an expensive hardware Millennia EQ and I cannot tell it apart from DMG Equilibrium (when the DMG is set to a long pulse length - takes a lot of CPU cycles!) .... quality digital EQ is definitely capable of equalling high end solid state hardware EQ. Tube EQ is a different story. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 14:40:31 GMT -6
Have to make up for the giveaways somehow. There are also others who mistakenly believe that a high price equal’s quality. I don't mind pricing your product that high. But it bothers me that the marketing strategy is trying to convince people that it's the best plugin humankind has ever invented. I mean, you go to the Pulsar site and instead of "Plugin", it's written "Masterpieces". On forums, the developer keeps comparing himself with Nasa scientists, and give mini bios about what his grandfather told him 30 years ago and how that would one day make him achieve this incredible plugin. He even says that he has "perfect pitch" but to tone and audio gear, whatever that is. Imo, if you are that sure that your product is a masterpiece, let people decide. You don't need to yell that everywhere you go. Meanwhile Native Instruments and Cytomic gave away basic filter structures for free and inspired tons of innovative dsp |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 15:16:57 GMT -6
Crikey, that's a steep price $342 for an EQ plugin! Anyway, since DMG Equilibrium I've never looked for another digital EQ. And the name Pulsar Modular, I was confused, for a moment I thought it was the company who make who make my Pulsar 1178. Have to make up for the giveaways somehow. There are also others who mistakenly believe that a high price equal’s quality. I support anyone wanting to charge double to twenty times as much for non native solutions and you’re not going to get something better for cheaper than U-he or MDW doing what they do best. Just now we have developers charging like it’s 1999 when they had to invent both fire and the wheel coded in motorola 56k assembly. |
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Post by mpr on May 7, 2023 17:45:22 GMT -6
Imo, if you are that sure that your product is a masterpiece, let people decide. You don't need to yell that everywhere you go. He definitely beats to his own drum and I can see how that polarizes anyone approaching him fresh on a forum. Getting to know him these last few months, I now respect him VERY much. The guy is undeniably brilliant, even if somewhat out of touch with how others perceive his emoted confidence. He is a sweetheart of a man whom I enjoy talking to. When you get to know someone personally, their internet persona suddenly means very little. That said, lol 'Masterpieces' did make me chuckle and then cringe a little, but the man treats his plugins like art so who are we to tell him how to label them. Some people are great at interpreting how the world will see them, others (like myself) are too lost in our sensory process to find pause and give it much thought, but that fault sure makes us good at our jobs at times. -Robb |
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Post by phantom on May 8, 2023 6:35:49 GMT -6
Imo, if you are that sure that your product is a masterpiece, let people decide. You don't need to yell that everywhere you go. He definitely beats to his own drum and I can see how that polarizes anyone approaching him fresh on a forum. Getting to know him these last few months, I now respect him VERY much. The guy is undeniably brilliant, even if somewhat out of touch with how others perceive his emoted confidence. He is a sweetheart of a man whom I enjoy talking to. When you get to know someone personally, their internet persona suddenly means very little. That said, lol 'Masterpieces' did make me chuckle and then cringe a little, but the man treats his plugins like art so who are we to tell him how to label them. Some people are great at interpreting how the world will see them, others (like myself) are too lost in our sensory process to find pause and give it much thought, but that fault sure makes us good at our jobs at times. -Robb Good stuff. I completely believe all that. In that case, it's a pity that many people will only know him as his internet persona. And the online world tend to make us all douchebags. It's a trap that I'm constantly reminding myself. I'll keep an eye on his plugins and I'll try more of the P440, because I'm not feeling this EQ yet. |
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2023 9:35:04 GMT -6
Playing around this weekend with A BSS Varicurve I once again found myself wondering why we keep trying to make digital sound like analog when we could simply improve these old circuits with a universal digital control protocol. I know rack spaces of empty face plates is a hard sell, but even using a very vintage laptop these things rock! If I can find me a Remote and Temp probe Im diving into old BSS!
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Post by sentientsound on May 8, 2023 14:13:11 GMT -6
I've been test driving it for about 5 days now - it feels like a work in progress still, but has potential and can yield some really nice tones.
The difficult parts are getting a hang on the shelving filters, the global Pulsar Modular toolbar being tiny and feeling crowded, and too many very important and interactive controls being situated far apart and sized oddly relative to their sonic impact.
For instance, the bias screw can make the difference between it sounding impressive and lively or a bit detrimental to dynamics and image. I'd hope for that kind of control to be nearby the TX, HW, MOD, OS, Soul and O2 controls.
Also considering input level affects these nonlinear behaviors, more clear input metering or some kind of 2-3 LED indicator to show when you're driving it into the "sweet spot" would be nice.
It does sound good at 96kHz and I really like the concept of the proportional Q behavior with "curated" frequency and gain steps - then having constant Q fine gain trim. That workflow clicks for me when mastering.
Having 5 transformer options with 5 HW options and the MOD switch, plus the wide range of "soul" with relatively subtle changes for navigating toward an ideal boxtone - while input level and bias alsoinfluence these - makes for a complicated and sometimes confusing tuning process for me.
Maybe it would be handy to have a separate "tone" preset system independent from the filter and bell bands. Or at least a preset bank with all filters zeroed and a collection of complimentary start points and their ideal rough input level listed.
The Tremor band is a cool idea and I do like how it works with the gentle or resonant HPF to get the subs as big and tight/loose as required.
These Pulsar threads are always bizarre too, bringing out vocal critics who haven't tried it, evangelical replies, and the rather polarizing antics of Ziad(P900).
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Post by mpr on May 9, 2023 0:05:05 GMT -6
I've been test driving it for about 5 days now - it feels like a work in progress still, but has potential and can yield some really nice tones. The difficult parts are getting a hang on the shelving filters, the global Pulsar Modular toolbar being tiny and feeling crowded, and too many very important and interactive controls being situated far apart and sized oddly relative to their sonic impact. For instance, the bias screw can make the difference between it sounding impressive and lively or a bit detrimental to dynamics and image. I'd hope for that kind of control to be nearby the TX, HW, MOD, OS, Soul and O2 controls. Also considering input level affects these nonlinear behaviors, more clear input metering or some kind of 2-3 LED indicator to show when you're driving it into the "sweet spot" would be nice. It does sound good at 96kHz and I really like the concept of the proportional Q behavior with "curated" frequency and gain steps - then having constant Q fine gain trim. That workflow clicks for me when mastering. Having 5 transformer options with 5 HW options and the MOD switch, plus the wide range of "soul" with relatively subtle changes for navigating toward an ideal boxtone - while input level and bias alsoinfluence these - makes for a complicated and sometimes confusing tuning process for me. Maybe it would be handy to have a separate "tone" preset system independent from the filter and bell bands. Or at least a preset bank with all filters zeroed and a collection of complimentary start points and their ideal rough input level listed. The Tremor band is a cool idea and I do like how it works with the gentle or resonant HPF to get the subs as big and tight/loose as required. These Pulsar threads are always bizarre too, bringing out vocal critics who haven't tried it, evangelical replies, and the rather polarizing antics of Ziad(P900). This is good stuff Brian. I have forwarded it to him, minus the last line.  |
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Post by phantom on May 9, 2023 7:02:17 GMT -6
I'm officially passing on this plugin. Developer can call me a child or a moron, I don't care.
I really tried it. I think I understand it now. But it's just a big "meh" from me. Never using it I thought to myself "ew, this sound bad", but I never thought "ow, this sound good" either.
If I use it on a complete mix, I always have the feeling that I haven't done the best the track need it.
And I still hate the workflow, with the slides and screws, and weird names. Still make the experience harder than it should be.
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Post by patrickp on May 10, 2023 13:10:22 GMT -6
Hey guys! I'm new on this forum! I was wondering how can I subcribe to a thread like this and have email notification of the replies? sorry to hijack the thread. I demoed Sweet Spot and its nice but too complicated. still love my Acustica and Nebula eqs
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Post by ericn on May 10, 2023 15:20:15 GMT -6
Every time I read this thread I remember John Lennon was convinced Magic Alex was a genius!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2023 17:14:56 GMT -6
Hey guys! I'm new on this forum! I was wondering how can I subcribe to a thread like this and have email notification of the replies? sorry to hijack the thread. I demoed Sweet Spot and its nice but too complicated. still love my Acustica and Nebula eqs By posting in the thread, you will get notifications automatically. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2023 17:15:48 GMT -6
Every time I read this thread I remember John Lennon was convinced Magic Alex was a genius! Kinda surprised the thread has such legs ? |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 10, 2023 18:06:17 GMT -6
It's always interesting to me which products get the automatic hate and which get a (sometimes undeserved) pass, it's a fascinating look into marketing and our mindset. This is reminding me of the Terry EQ thread (another EQ I enjoy using! ha).
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Post by drbill on May 10, 2023 19:29:33 GMT -6
It's always interesting to me which products get the automatic hate and which get a (sometimes undeserved) pass, it's a fascinating look into marketing and our mindset. This is reminding me of the Terry EQ thread (another EQ I enjoy using! ha). There is so much more behind a product than the product itself..... - Company image - Honesty - Marketing - Industry & Product knowledge - Visual Look - Distribution network - Quick communication - Customer service - Customer feedback - Internet and Social Media relations Screw any of those up, and you risk that your product could be taking a header rather quickly. |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 10, 2023 21:25:29 GMT -6
It's always interesting to me which products get the automatic hate and which get a (sometimes undeserved) pass, it's a fascinating look into marketing and our mindset. This is reminding me of the Terry EQ thread (another EQ I enjoy using! ha). There is so much more behind a product than the product itself..... - Company image - Honesty - Marketing - Industry & Product knowledge - Visual Look - Distribution network - Quick communication - Customer service - Customer feedback - Internet and Social Media relations Screw any of those up, and you risk that your product could be taking a header rather quickly. And that's why marketing a whole industry... Thanks for the insight in what it seems is subconscious to most. In here is probably also the seeds that plant the herd mentality that creates forum faves and foes. I guess I'm just fascinated as things I think are amazing fall on both sides of this dividing line. It's great when they're celebrated (LTL being a perfect example) and a bummer when vilified (Pulsar Modular in this case). I long ago gave up on trying to figure out why people aren't excited or even interested in exploring some tools I think are great but we all have our reasons. One thing's for sure, I'm glad I'm not a plugin developer. That's a thankless task these days, may hats off to those who have skin in the game. Back on topic, I really dig this EQ. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 0:53:49 GMT -6
It's always interesting to me which products get the automatic hate and which get a (sometimes undeserved) pass, it's a fascinating look into marketing and our mindset. This is reminding me of the Terry EQ thread (another EQ I enjoy using! ha). There is so much more behind a product than the product itself..... - Company image - Honesty - Marketing - Industry & Product knowledge - Visual Look - Distribution network - Quick communication - Customer service - Customer feedback - Internet and Social Media relations Screw any of those up, and you risk that your product could be taking a header rather quickly. I also think just straight up product design. There's so many things that try to be too many things at once and only one use or setting is the originally intended one for the unit. I can think of multi-pattern mics, compressors with peak/rms and feedforward/feedback switches, tons of plugins where half the knob positions sound broken, many hardware compressors where most of the needle position on the vu meter is unusable, supposedly stereo units whose parts aren't well matched, etc |
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Post by thehightenor on May 11, 2023 1:39:43 GMT -6
Every time I read this thread I remember John Lennon was convinced Magic Alex was a genius! Kinda surprised the thread has such legs ? UAD AMS DMX $300 Xmas sale “3 plug-ins for $115” UAD AMS DMX $30 This new Pulse Modular EQ $342 I’ll try it when/if it costs $35 The old “plugin merry dance” Ain’t it fun! |
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