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Post by levon on Jun 24, 2014 23:53:54 GMT -6
Auratone 5C limited editionFor those that love the mid-rangey sound of the Auratones, here's your chance to buy a new pair of originals. Pretty cheap too. I love my old 5Cs.
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 7:12:23 GMT -6
Nice. You'll notice that nowhere on the page do they mention a pair.. All wording is in the singular form.. Kinda expensive for a single 5C. You can still find original pairs for less.
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2014 8:14:16 GMT -6
Or just get the Avantones.
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Post by levon on Jun 25, 2014 8:18:59 GMT -6
Seems I missed the pricing was only for one. That makes it a bit expensive for sure. I haven't heard the Avantones, but from what I've read, they don't sound like the 5Cs.
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Post by warren on Jun 25, 2014 8:58:00 GMT -6
Have an Avantone at the moment, use it mainly as a mono check. Have listened side by side to a horrortone so not sure how they compare.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 25, 2014 8:59:26 GMT -6
Isn't the point of these to sound like a crappy stereo? So you can get a feel for how it translates?
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 9:13:51 GMT -6
Isn't the point of these to sound like a crappy stereo? So you can get a feel for how it translates? In a simplistic way, yes. However, subsequent testing of these has shown that being a sealed box, the original Auratone (and the ns-10) suffers very little from the time-domain issues that plague most other speakers with ports and multiple drivers. Also, with the originals, the paper cones were glued from a sheet, thus adding stiffness while maintaining light weight (also same as the NS-10) and thus being very sensitive and low on cone distortions. 3rdly, there is no crossover and therefor no crossover distortion. So while being a single driver with a relatively stunted frequency response, what frequencies it does produce are pretty pure and revealing in a region where most 2-way speakers hide their problems in the crossover point and in the lows where ports attempting to create the perception of increased low end actually end up creating distortions. |
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 25, 2014 10:33:05 GMT -6
The problem today is no one uses a single full range 5" driver anymore for music listening. Headphones and ear buds do 20k hz, Auratones do not. Boom boxes have tweeters. Car speakers have tweeters and many have subwoofers.
Perhaps the closest thing to the Auratone sound would be the small speakers found on a flat screen TV. I don't use those here, I feed an Adcom power amp and a pair of JBL 4408's from the TV.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 11:27:12 GMT -6
Isn't the point of these to sound like a crappy stereo? So you can get a feel for how it translates? In a simplistic way, yes. However, subsequent testing of these has shown that being a sealed box, the original Auratone (and the ns-10) suffers very little from the time-domain issues that plague most other speakers with ports and multiple drivers. Also, with the originals, the paper cones were glued from a sheet, thus adding stiffness while maintaining light weight (also same as the NS-10) and thus being very sensitive and low on cone distortions. 3rdly, there is no crossover and therefor no crossover distortion. So while being a single driver with a relatively stunted frequency response, what frequencies it does produce are pretty pure and revealing in a region where most 2-way speakers hide their problems in the crossover point and in the lows where ports attempting to create the perception of increased low end actually end up creating distortions. This is a great explanation! I've got paper pulp cones going in my proAc knockoffs |
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2014 11:35:33 GMT -6
Yeah... most people are listening to their pirated music on earbuds and laptops/macbooks these days anyhow. I track on big tannoys, mix on Neumann 120a's and spin off MP3s of the mixes to a thumb drive and pop it in my macbook 17 to listen to them on the internal speakers and earbuds. Then to the car (Ford Flex) and the truck (F150) and take notes on all 4 of those listening environments. And occasionally on my kids' "beats" headphones. (and no, I did not buy those for them)
I have no need for Auratones/Avantones whatsoever.
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 25, 2014 12:24:22 GMT -6
I used to own a pair of the Avatones, to me they were worthless. If I got a vocal sounding "ok" on them when I put it in a modern car stereo it sounded bad, equally when I listened on headphones. Times have changed with how people listen to music. I can imagine them being priceless in the days when cars and trucks had similar speakers, and earbuds were not born yet.
I actually sold those off and went and bought one of those bluetooth stereo speakers in place and it's incredibly humbling. That's what everyone uses now, and they also are similar to how a pair of earbuds or laptop speakers are going to reproduce. I think I paid like $140 for it at best buy.
What I've noticed about this little box is that I can have my mix up on my nearfields (PSI A17m's) and then put the mix on my other set (modded HS80ms) and get it sounding clean and good there, then the little wireless speaker is over behind me about 9' away, from there I will just use it for levels only, and if the bass isn't cutting I'll listen to a reference on it and then work my kick and bass to get it nice and tight like the ref. What is pretty cool, is that when I flip back over to my other two sets of monitors the sound has improved. I think for me it keeps me from getting a mix too thick and busy, and you've also got to be creative with how you're creating the background too because if you can't get a sense of depth with that thing 9' away its not going to translate to what people listen to music on these days. I do miss NS-10's but only because I could dial my drum mix in sooooo much faster with those speakers, but that was about it really, for me at least.
I've got my HS80's set up so they reveal a lot of the strident stuff, and the A17's let me dial in the full bandwith mix. The little bluetooth let's me check translation.
That's just been my experience so far.
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 12:37:27 GMT -6
I gotta throw this out there.. Avantones are NOT Auratones and to me, they don't sound anything alike other than being single driver speakers..
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 13:03:48 GMT -6
As far as Auratone, the funny thing is you can be certain they just built those as cheap money making throwaways back in the day, it was a stroke of pure luck that they were so useable for studio guys, now they're coming off like they're some sort of Genius's for coming up with them lol
becoming intimately familiar with your nearfields is your best bet IMV, i make adjustments i know won't translate well to other decent systems. I've had my HR824's for 15 years lol, they don't sound great, they sound ok/good, but i totally trust my understanding of them, if my new monitors end up being much sweeter(please god?), and exactly translatable, then that will be sooo great! and more enjoyable to work in front of.
(warning..ranty)As far as mixing "dumbed down" to shit systems, fuck that, i hope i scramble the earsballs of the day walking mouth breathers, in reality, they're too dumb to know the diff anyhoo! lol
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 13:35:27 GMT -6
As far as Auratone, the funny thing is you can be certain they just built those as cheap money making throwaways back in the day, it was a stroke of pure luck that they were so useable for studio guys, now they're coming off like they're some sort of Genius's for coming up with them lol becoming intimately familiar with your nearfields is your best bet IMV, i make adjustments i know won't translate well to other decent systems. I've had my HR824's for 15 years lol, they don't sound great, they sound ok/good, but i totally trust my understanding of them, if my new monitors end up being much sweeter(please god?), and exactly translatable, then that will be sooo great! and more enjoyable to work in front of. (warning..ranty)As far as mixing "dumbed down" to shit systems, fuck that, i hope i scramble the earsballs of the day walking mouth breathers, in reality, they're too dumb to know the diff anyhoo! lol Oh yeah it was absolutely luck. Same for the NS10. Pure luck, and it took a handful of decades for folks to figure out why they just "work" too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 21:58:08 GMT -6
Never heard Auratones - Love my Avantones and find them invaluable. For me, they help me identify low mid weirdness quickly, help me set general levels, tell me if the snare is too loud (often for me) and put the vocal in place. I use my primary monitors more for tone and judging effects and compression.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 26, 2014 10:14:11 GMT -6
I've seen folks replace busted Auratone drivers with improved drivers with a "whizzer cone", a passive small diameter cone stuck in the center of the driver. That allows the tops to extend to well over 10k hz, providing the missing sonic information lacking in the single driver design.
Otherwise, those are a good representative to what music will sound like in foreign countries that still use 13" TV's. I remember back in the day they were used to hear what a finished song would sound like on AM radio, once the most popular music format, now long replaced by FM or talk radio.
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Post by donr on Jun 26, 2014 13:06:02 GMT -6
I've seen folks replace busted Auratone drivers with improved drivers with a "whizzer cone", a passive small diameter cone stuck in the center of the driver. That allows the tops to extend to well over 10k hz, providing the missing sonic information lacking in the single driver design. Otherwise, those are a good representative to what music will sound like in foreign countries that still use 13" TV's. I remember back in the day they were used to hear what a finished song would sound like on AM radio, once the most popular music format, now long replaced by FM or talk radio. I've A/B 'ed the sound on my local AM talker in the car between over the air and streaming iHeart Radio digital. Quite a difference. I've still got my 5C's from the 70's. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 27, 2014 11:38:38 GMT -6
So... Auratone is the new black?
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Post by littlesicily on Jun 29, 2014 10:58:15 GMT -6
Man, I just grabbed a cheap Sony receiver and 2 of the small satellite speakers I had unused in the house for the "listening on crappy speakers" thing… surprisingly, it really helps me when tweaking mixes. Not auratones, but gets the job done. I also like not having them right in front of me, rather they are on top of my rack to my right. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Ward on Jun 29, 2014 11:52:06 GMT -6
20 odd years ago, I used a 'ghetto blaster' that had a line-in. It was also very helpful.
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Post by littlesicily on Jun 29, 2014 14:42:43 GMT -6
20 odd years ago, I used a 'ghetto blaster' that had a line-in. It was also very helpful. Me too! Still have mine...  |
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