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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 7, 2023 4:03:54 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Apr 7, 2023 7:42:14 GMT -6
Such a deal. For prices so low I really wished I actually liked the Amphion sound.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 8:17:26 GMT -6
Hilarious given the drivers and amps they use
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 7, 2023 9:01:25 GMT -6
Such a deal. For prices so low I really wished I actually liked the Amphion sound. Be almost $25 grand cdn landed: can’t say I ever understood amphion pricing, unless they hide/imbed their own country’s vat taxes in international sales ? |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 11:00:12 GMT -6
Small 3 way designed for near field is really, really hard! Been there done that. First, if I use the best drivers, things get big fast because the motors take up a lot of room. Second I want it compact, but I also need to fit 3 drivers, possibly vent, on a front panel and have these drivers sum in a shot distance. X- Over is a bitch, your probably going to find your driver choices are all over the place when it comes to efficiency, in such a short throw phase and EQ correction is going to be a must and you just know to really get it right the filters are going to be complex as hell! So DSP? Yeah makes it easy in a small space, oh we need 3 ch of amplification! OK wave guides can help us get those 3 drivers to mesh, oh shit they take up real estate! You know we really want some bass, because at this price you shouldn’t need subs, oh that means big cabinet and amp? Oh congratulations you got it down to -3 dB at 33HZ, yeah a lot of cheap desks have nast res around 30-37 Hz.
Like I said these things are hard! This is why as perfect as SCM25’s are they are flawed as hell. Now I’m really surprised nobody has Looked at the little Volt 2 in dome , the Volt 6.5 woofer and the tweet of the month and say “ we can get Damn close to the 25, beat it in some ways” then I think Yeah that design sounds really good, but I also have BSS mini drive and 4 ch of JW modded ADCom and 2 Ch of Class A BEL here or 6 ch of CLASS H Stewart 2.1 !
Part of what these things bring to mind ( yeah it’s me so you’re right related tangent time.
In golden age of horn design is past us, it should be easier today my IPhone has more power than all the Machines at Meyer when the UPA horn was designed what 50 years ago? Think about it we should be pushing wave guide and hot design we have the computer power we have 3D printing and CNC for almost instant prototyping and revision! Why are we not pushing the envelope!!!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 7, 2023 11:13:25 GMT -6
I’ve heard that their amps aren’t very good. I love my passive One 18’s though.
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Post by jaba on Apr 7, 2023 12:06:34 GMT -6
I’ve heard that their amps aren’t very good. I love my passive One 18’s though. Same here. A great compliment to the NS10s and Auratone. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 12:47:14 GMT -6
Last I heard they were using Generic Hypex Class D but a lot has to do with the component choices around the modules.
But considering you can get an Adcom GFA or a Soundstream DA1 ( designed by the guys from Krell built by Stewart) for less than $500. For a passive I would prefer JKS Bryston dresses as a Lexicon!
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 7, 2023 14:21:01 GMT -6
The adcom I had modded by Jim, just sounded natural no muss no fuss.
Only problem was shipping costs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 14:44:49 GMT -6
Small 3 way designed for near field is really, really hard! Been there done that. First, if I use the best drivers, things get big fast because the motors take up a lot of room. Second I want it compact, but I also need to fit 3 drivers, possibly vent, on a front panel and have these drivers sum in a shot distance. X- Over is a bitch, your probably going to find your driver choices are all over the place when it comes to efficiency, in such a short throw phase and EQ correction is going to be a must and you just know to really get it right the filters are going to be complex as hell! So DSP? Yeah makes it easy in a small space, oh we need 3 ch of amplification! OK wave guides can help us get those 3 drivers to mesh, oh shit they take up real estate! You know we really want some bass, because at this price you shouldn’t need subs, oh that means big cabinet and amp? Oh congratulations you got it down to -3 dB at 33HZ, yeah a lot of cheap desks have nast res around 30-37 Hz. Like I said these things are hard! This is why as perfect as SCM25’s are they are flawed as hell. Now I’m really surprised nobody has Looked at the little Volt 2 in dome , the Volt 6.5 woofer and the tweet of the month and say “ we can get Damn close to the 25, beat it in some ways” then I think Yeah that design sounds really good, but I also have BSS mini drive and 4 ch of JW modded ADCom and 2 Ch of Class A BEL here or 6 ch of CLASS H Stewart 2.1 ! Part of what these things bring to mind ( yeah it’s me so you’re right related tangent time. In golden age of horn design is past us, it should be easier today my IPhone has more power than all the Machines at Meyer when the UPA horn was designed what 50 years ago? Think about it we should be pushing wave guide and hot design we have the computer power we have 3D printing and CNC for almost instant prototyping and revision! Why are we not pushing the envelope!!!! The dsp crossovers in active monitors have always been a way to mark up cheap shit or make crappy designs useful. There have been zero exceptions. From the cheap JBLs and Kalis that use home theater chip amps to keep them under 300 bucks to the point source Genelecs and upcoming line of “Neumann” monitors. It’s all about using cheap ass parts and making more money. Even some of the current KRK Rokits (the 5 and the 3 way) are decent now but they’re using shitty, fragile amps to keep the price down. Do not believe anything from the manufacturers about repairability or the keyboard warrior tech bros at Audio Science Review. Neumann and Genelec have tons of soft clippers and limiter in the amps and crossovers to protect their shit low headroom metal tweeters and stop their high distortion long throw woofers from ripping their surrounds. It’s to the point that the almost always limited Yamaha hs series woofers can be more true. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 15:51:31 GMT -6
Small 3 way designed for near field is really, really hard! Been there done that. First, if I use the best drivers, things get big fast because the motors take up a lot of room. Second I want it compact, but I also need to fit 3 drivers, possibly vent, on a front panel and have these drivers sum in a shot distance. X- Over is a bitch, your probably going to find your driver choices are all over the place when it comes to efficiency, in such a short throw phase and EQ correction is going to be a must and you just know to really get it right the filters are going to be complex as hell! So DSP? Yeah makes it easy in a small space, oh we need 3 ch of amplification! OK wave guides can help us get those 3 drivers to mesh, oh shit they take up real estate! You know we really want some bass, because at this price you shouldn’t need subs, oh that means big cabinet and amp? Oh congratulations you got it down to -3 dB at 33HZ, yeah a lot of cheap desks have nast res around 30-37 Hz. Like I said these things are hard! This is why as perfect as SCM25’s are they are flawed as hell. Now I’m really surprised nobody has Looked at the little Volt 2 in dome , the Volt 6.5 woofer and the tweet of the month and say “ we can get Damn close to the 25, beat it in some ways” then I think Yeah that design sounds really good, but I also have BSS mini drive and 4 ch of JW modded ADCom and 2 Ch of Class A BEL here or 6 ch of CLASS H Stewart 2.1 ! Part of what these things bring to mind ( yeah it’s me so you’re right related tangent time. In golden age of horn design is past us, it should be easier today my IPhone has more power than all the Machines at Meyer when the UPA horn was designed what 50 years ago? Think about it we should be pushing wave guide and hot design we have the computer power we have 3D printing and CNC for almost instant prototyping and revision! Why are we not pushing the envelope!!!! The dsp crossovers in active monitors have always been a way to mark up cheap shit or make crappy designs useful. There have been zero exceptions. From the cheap JBLs and Kalis that use home theater chip amps to keep them under 300 bucks to the point source Genelecs and upcoming line of “Neumann” monitors. It’s all about using cheap ass parts and making more money. Even some of the current KRK Rokits (the 5 and the 3 way) are decent now but they’re using shitty, fragile amps to keep the price down. Do not believe anything from the manufacturers about repairability or the keyboard warrior tech bros at Audio Science Review. Neumann and Genelec have tons of soft clippers and limiter in the amps and crossovers to protect their shit low headroom metal tweeters and stop their high distortion long throw woofers from ripping their surrounds. It’s to the point that the almost always limited Yamaha hs series woofers can be more true. Umm Dan, real Augspergers, Quested, PMC and Westlake have all used DSP for over 20 years because of What you can’t do easily in an Analog box. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 9, 2023 10:47:04 GMT -6
Original model number.
3 way studio monitor, let's call it the ....
25a
brilliant!
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