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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2014 6:11:16 GMT -6
how come no one talks about the 414 TLll? i had one of those back in the day, i was told it had the C12 capsule, but i never had the gumption to look back then(93). I used to use it on acoustic gtars and snare all the time, it sounded great. Nope just transformer less ! In the Eyes of AKG all 414s have real CK12s! |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2014 9:03:40 GMT -6
how come no one talks about the 414 TLll? i had one of those back in the day, i was told it had the C12 capsule, but i never had the gumption to look back then(93). I used to use it on acoustic gtars and snare all the time, it sounded great. Nope just transformer less ! In the Eyes of AKG all 414s have real CK12s! No TL2 came with a brass ring capsule. Still a good mic but missing the magic. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2014 9:54:30 GMT -6
Nope just transformer less ! In the Eyes of AKG all 414s have real CK12s! No TL2 came with a brass ring capsule. Still a good mic but missing the magic. Ward Tl2 is a mid Nineties early 2000s mic AKG had no brass Capsules, last brass was the era early EBs! They Claimed " it was voiced like CK12 found in a C12" of course the ad guys said the same thing about The ULS, the Solidtube, the C12VR and even the C30000! I have seen TL2 that people have transplanted brass CK12s but stock it's a Tweeked 90s plastic ! |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2014 10:55:29 GMT -6
Ummm... in case you hadn't noticed, we've been completely agreeing for this entire thread, ericn |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2014 10:57:55 GMT -6
Notice ericn, there is no comma after the word no. In other words: There were no TL2s that came with a brass capsule. Or... There was not one TL2 that came with a brass capsule. I.E. No brass capsule was ever installed in any TL2. I thought I was clear. I can see how it could be misunderstood if one inserted a comma after the 'no' word. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2014 11:10:32 GMT -6
Sorry Ward !
There seams to be this urban legend started by a Very large guitar umh centered dealer that cleared out AKGs last TL2 inventory that somehow Brass CK12s reappeared in these !
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Post by unit7 on Aug 8, 2014 12:19:35 GMT -6
But, if you want better than that, buy a C414EB P48 or a C414ULS and order one of Tim Campbell's CK12 capsules here[/u][/color][/url] and install it. [/quote] This is such a great idea! Ward Any reason why you suggest those particular two models for the mod? And how's the transformers in the 414s today compared to the old C12 version? |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2014 14:55:41 GMT -6
Because in the case of the C414EB P48, it is very close to the last C414EB mics with the CK12 brass ring capsule, so you'll end up with essentially the same microphone.
And in the case of the ULS, You can clearly have the option of the same magic tone without the 'weight' associated with the old EB models... a little closer to a C12 or C12a in the lower mid and low end response.
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2014 16:02:03 GMT -6
Because in the case of the C414EB P48, it is very close to the last C414EB mics with the CK12 brass ring capsule, so you'll end up with essentially the same microphone. And in the case of the ULS, You can clearly have the option of the same magic tone without the 'weight' associated with the old EB models... a little closer to a C12 or C12a in the lower mid and low end response. Ward put it perfectly, add a transformer less amp ala what JW used to do to the mix if you want transparent. A ULS and Tim's Capsule or Shannon's will cost you less than a plastic capsule EB to boot! |
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Post by mhep on Aug 11, 2014 3:07:57 GMT -6
C414eb - less in the low end and magical warmth that the C12a but still has that brass capsule sparkle to it. C414uls - Suddenly, all the engineers at AKG went deaf and could no longer tell what a C414 was supposed to sound like. between 2 and 12 k there is a noticeable dip in response that takes a broadband eq to correct. However, it does have good air. C414XLS - New people must have been hired who had some idea of what a C414 was supposed to sound like. Not quite as bright as an EB but not too bad either. Wow, pretty much the opposite of my feeling once you hit the ULS. ULS is the darkest of the 414's, but that's what makes it work for so many applications. It doesn't so much have a dip from 2k-12k, but rather it lacks the ear destroying HF harshness of the "414 sound". Somehow the EB is bright and open without killing your ears, but that's not true with the TLII, XLS, and XLII. All terribly bright, useless mics. EB and ULS are the good ones (and complement each other nicely). Anything else with the 414 name is pretty awful, IME. ULS over a U87 on most any source other than vocal. TLII, XLS, XLII are for recording French horn for a metal mix—nothing more. ;-) |
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 11, 2014 9:31:19 GMT -6
You can hear 414 transformerless mics used on several releases. They are popular with the smooth jazz crowd. Listen to Euge Groove to hear them on sax, Rick Braun to hear them on trumpet and fuglehorn. Others include Van Halen (drum overheads and acoustic piano).
It's a great mic on guitar cabs as it adds no EQ response. Sometimes flat is just what the doc ordered, especially if the source sounds perfect.
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Post by ericn on Aug 11, 2014 14:02:32 GMT -6
You can hear 414 transformerless mics used on several releases. They are popular with the smooth jazz crowd. Listen to Euge Groove to hear them on sax, Rick Braun to hear them on trumpet and fuglehorn. Others include Van Halen (drum overheads and acoustic piano). It's a great mic on guitar cabs as it adds no EQ response. Sometimes flat is just what the doc ordered, especially if the source sounds perfect. Yeah, Jim tempt us, I would buy a pair of ULS''s but Who do send them that! |
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