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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2023 11:30:00 GMT -6
Isn’t a 16 channel sumbus about half the price of 16 vp28s?
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Post by Quint on Mar 12, 2023 12:05:25 GMT -6
I don't see why you can't recreate this aspect in a hardware inserts sort of scenario. Just send all of your individual channels through all of those colored preamps you have laying around. Hardware inserts thru 16 channels of VP28s, plus a VP28 on the master bus would sound pretty similar to summing thru 16 channels of the Sumbus, I bet. That would be a much more fair comparison. I haven't ever done a proper experiment to test this myself, so I can't speak to the validity of this, but I seem to remember reading somewhere about at least some converters maybe not being able to properly drive analog equipment such as compressors or eqs, in which case you might not be getting the full experience with hardware inserts, compared to what you'd be getting if mixing thru a proper console. In other words, the implication was that, over and above any tone or coloration you'd get from the transformers and opamps in a console or something like the Sumbus, impedance loading issues coming out of your converters could be making a difference too, with the possible solution being to just run your converter outputs thru a preamp first before hitting the comp or eq or whatever it is your doing with your hardware inserts. Anyway, I don't remember all of the details, and it could be complete nonsense, so who knows. Anybody else heard anything about loading issues between converters and hardware? Not with protools hdx. However this would be pretty damn expensive to do. And also potentially a gain staging annoyance. But also totally do able and likely just as good I'm sure in some ways. If you could ever actually get ahold of 8 vp28s much less 16 or 24. Would be worth doing. Plus obviously you get mic ores out of it too. The nice thing about the VP28 is that it has the option to have fully switchable gain control, as in, even the output knob can be fully switchable. So that would make recall and gain staging a simpler matter. Just set them at unity, or however you prefer, and leave them there for mixing. There probably aren't a lot of people that would have 16 channels of VP28, though I myself considered doing so at one point. There are probably quit a few more who have 8 channels though. I only have four channels of VP28, but two more channels is at the top of my list for future preamp purchases. More broadly, I was just wondering out loud how close somebody might get by going with this approach. I mean, a lot of people do have a bunch of preamps sitting around unused at mix time, so even if they weren't all the same type of preamp, you still might gain something that would get you closer to the equivalent of something like the Sumbus by using your preamps on hardware inserts. Is it as easy or elegant? No. But if you didn't want to spend the money on 16 channels of Sumbus, it might be an option. And, if you're doing hardware inserts, a summing mixer was never really part of that discussion anyway, so using your preamps on inserts might be worth considering as a way to get some extra tone on each channel. |
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Post by Quint on Mar 12, 2023 12:08:53 GMT -6
Isn’t a 16 channel sumbus about half the price of 16 vp28s? Yeah, but my point was that 16 channels of VP28 (or insert whatever kind of preamp(s) or combinations of preamps you want here) is 0% of the cost of a Sumbus if you already own said VP28s for use as preamps, and then ultimately don't need to spend any money at all on any kind of summing mixer. And, if you're doing hardware inserts, a summing mixer was never really part of that discussion anyway, so using your preamps on inserts might be worth considering as a way to get some extra tone on each channel. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Mar 12, 2023 20:47:48 GMT -6
Kinda missing the point of the thread. I would argue that if you can't make something sound like a record going through the CAPI SumBus then search elsewhere in your setup. It is not just summing and delivers a vibe you can feel immediately after hooking it up.
Edit: and you have choices on the output cards that can make a big difference in what sonics you might be trying to achieve
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 14, 2023 10:07:36 GMT -6
Are these going to be in stock to buy? I had given up.
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Post by keymod on Mar 14, 2023 10:33:09 GMT -6
Are these going to be in stock to buy? I had given up. Who knows? As much as I love Jeff and his products, I'm starting to give up also. It seems that pro builders/re-sellers keep snatching everything up, leaving the rest of us with our hands empty.... |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Mar 14, 2023 13:15:00 GMT -6
Hey Quint, " so using your preamps on inserts might be worth considering as a way to get some extra tone on each channel " This is exactly what I did with my remote mixing setup, I'm using Helios type 69's before the Neve 8816. And it sounds amazing. Basically, a easy to recall small console. Attachments:
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 14, 2023 22:57:32 GMT -6
Are these going to be in stock to buy? I had given up. Who knows? As much as I love Jeff and his products, I'm starting to give up also. It seems that pro builders/re-sellers keep snatching everything up, leaving the rest of us with our hands empty.... yeah is a shame that seems to be the case more so these days. Nothing stays in stock for more than an hour when it is in stock. |
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