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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2023 12:25:56 GMT -6
kitplugins.com/products/bb-n73I was hoping for the next Blackbird EQ + Saturation to be an API, but hey, if they actually got this one right, it'll be very welcome, because I'm still not in love with anyone else's. I've always really liked the sound of Acustica's Gold, but it's just too much of a hassle for me to use it regularly. And the Lindell one is good, but it's never made it into my "goto" plugin list for whatever reason. I'm hoping maybe this one will. I almost always prefer the EQ from a 1084 to a 1073, but if this actually sounds like a hardware 1073, it'll be a very nice tool.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2023 12:31:28 GMT -6
kitplugins.com/products/bb-n73I was hoping for the next Blackbird EQ + Saturation to be an API, but hey, if they actually got this one right, it'll be very welcome, because I'm still not in love with anyone else's. I've always loved the sound of Acustica's Gold, but it's just too much of a hassle for me to use it regularly. And the Lindell one is good, but it's never made it into my "goto" plugin list for whatever reason. I'm hoping maybe this one will. Used the UAD 1073? If so, I'd be curious how you think it compares to the Acustica Gold? I'm increasingly in the same camp with Acustica. I just mostly want to use hassle free stuff. If I'm uncertain if your plugin is going to crash my system, or if I can only use three of them before my CPU is crying for mercy, I just get less interested. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2023 12:35:55 GMT -6
kitplugins.com/products/bb-n73I was hoping for the next Blackbird EQ + Saturation to be an API, but hey, if they actually got this one right, it'll be very welcome, because I'm still not in love with anyone else's. I've always really liked the sound of Acustica's Gold, but it's just too much of a hassle for me to use it regularly. And the Lindell one is good, but it's never made it into my "goto" plugin list for whatever reason. I'm hoping maybe this one will. I almost always prefer the EQ from a 1084 to a 1073, but if this actually sounds like a hardware 1073, it'll be a very nice tool. Used the UAD 1073? If so, I'd be curious how you think it compares to the Acustica Gold? I'm increasingly in the same camp with Acustica. I just mostly want to use hassle free stuff. If I'm uncertain if your plugin is going to crash my system, or if I can only use three of them before my CPU is crying for mercy, I just get less interested. I'm not a UAD person, so no, never tried theirs. Of course, now that some of their plugins are Native, I should probably give some of them a shot. Is their 1073 Native now? As someone who's never been in their ecosystem, I find it quite confusing which plugins are now available to me and which ones are not. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2023 12:58:56 GMT -6
Uadx or what’s in the subscription plan run natively.
Everything else is uad2, need sharc chips.
Any ua pre would theoretically sound best running in an apollo/sharc chip, in unison mode/slot, which provides the impedance if the original pre.
You can run uad2 unison plugs, regularly ( nonunison), but you don’t get the impedance matching.
UadX is cheaper but can't be resold snd can’t run on current apollos. Uad2/uadx can be sold.
Uad2, comes with a uadx license if that plug is in the sub plan, like ua just put Fairchild in the sub plan, so now there is a uadx version snd uad2 fairchild owners automatically get yhe uadx plug.
It will be interesting to see if ua drops at namm a new arm apollo and what affect if sny this has on uad2 unison plug use.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2023 12:59:56 GMT -6
Used the UAD 1073? If so, I'd be curious how you think it compares to the Acustica Gold? I'm increasingly in the same camp with Acustica. I just mostly want to use hassle free stuff. If I'm uncertain if your plugin is going to crash my system, or if I can only use three of them before my CPU is crying for mercy, I just get less interested. I'm not a UAD person, so no, never tried theirs. Of course, now that some of their plugins are Native, I should probably give some of them a shot. Is their 1073 Native now? As someone who's never been in their ecosystem, I find it quite confusing which plugins are now available to me and which ones are not. It is available now in native if you subscribe to Spark, but it is not available yet to buy outright on native. There apparently is some kind of negotiation still going on before it will be released as a standalone native plugin for purchase. |
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Post by robo on Mar 8, 2023 13:07:35 GMT -6
You might also try Noise Ash’s 84 Console EQ. I didn’t directly A/B it and the Kit, but the Kit’s controls were really squirrelly and annoying on my system. I find the Noise Ash satisfying sonically, and have been using it on busses a bunch lately. Worth a demo.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2023 13:07:44 GMT -6
You could demo of the sub plan to try:)
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2023 13:08:24 GMT -6
I honestly have a hard time deciding what makes some greater than others unless they're adding unwanted artifacts...
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Post by drumsound on Mar 8, 2023 15:00:20 GMT -6
Used the UAD 1073? If so, I'd be curious how you think it compares to the Acustica Gold? I'm increasingly in the same camp with Acustica. I just mostly want to use hassle free stuff. If I'm uncertain if your plugin is going to crash my system, or if I can only use three of them before my CPU is crying for mercy, I just get less interested. I'm not a UAD person, so no, never tried theirs. Of course, now that some of their plugins are Native, I should probably give some of them a shot. Is their 1073 Native now? As someone who's never been in their ecosystem, I find it quite confusing which plugins are now available to me and which ones are not. The 1073 is available as UADx. It's a really good sounding plugin, even outside of the Luna/UAD interface world. I was disappointed to see KIT did a 1073, there's a million of them already... |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2023 20:30:17 GMT -6
I'm not a UAD person, so no, never tried theirs. Of course, now that some of their plugins are Native, I should probably give some of them a shot. Is their 1073 Native now? As someone who's never been in their ecosystem, I find it quite confusing which plugins are now available to me and which ones are not. It is available now in native if you subscribe to Spark, but it is not available yet to buy outright on native. There apparently is some kind of negotiation still going on before it will be released as a standalone native plugin for purchase. I'm definitely not going to subscribe to Spark - I'm sick of subscriptions in my life.
Thanks for your back-and-forth with kcatt, btw. It's helpful for someone like me from outside the ecosystem to gain a better understanding of how this all works at present.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2023 20:31:32 GMT -6
I'm not a UAD person, so no, never tried theirs. Of course, now that some of their plugins are Native, I should probably give some of them a shot. Is their 1073 Native now? As someone who's never been in their ecosystem, I find it quite confusing which plugins are now available to me and which ones are not. The 1073 is available as UADx. It's a really good sounding plugin, even outside of the Luna/UAD interface world. I was disappointed to see KIT did a 1073, there's a million of them already... But is it only available to a Native-only person (such as myself) by subscribing to Spark? That's what Quint seems to be saying. |
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Post by drumsound on Mar 8, 2023 20:43:40 GMT -6
The 1073 is available as UADx. It's a really good sounding plugin, even outside of the Luna/UAD interface world. I was disappointed to see KIT did a 1073, there's a million of them already... But is it only available to a Native-only person (such as myself) by subscribing to Spark? That's what Quint seems to be saying. I must have misunderstood. I don't have Spark, but got the native 1073, but I don't see it listed ala carte. UAD does things...oddly |
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Post by notneeson on Mar 8, 2023 20:48:31 GMT -6
The 1073 is available as UADx. It's a really good sounding plugin, even outside of the Luna/UAD interface world. I was disappointed to see KIT did a 1073, there's a million of them already... But is it only available to a Native-only person (such as myself) by subscribing to Spark? That's what Quint seems to be saying. FWIW I am still not hearing the Spark plugins as better than other stuff I can buy outright for like $40 on sale. Actually the IK 1081 is totally solid and they were giving it away recently. I definitely hear the UA stuff as better than like, Waves CLA and that era of plugins. (Although I still like H Delay). So I get why they developed their reputation when they did. That said, I still haven't cancelled so... |
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2023 21:55:26 GMT -6
It is available now in native if you subscribe to Spark, but it is not available yet to buy outright on native. There apparently is some kind of negotiation still going on before it will be released as a standalone native plugin for purchase. I'm definitely not going to subscribe to Spark - I'm sick of subscriptions in my life.
Thanks for your back-and-forth with kcatt, btw. It's helpful for someone like me from outside the ecosystem to gain a better understanding of how this all works at present.
The Spark subscription is like it sounds. I'm not interested either, especially because I own nearly everything I'd ever want from UA anyway. In any case, UA will continue to add plugins to Spark as more and more plugins get ported to native (UADx). Spark would appeal to people who ARE interested in subs and also are okay with only having access to native plugins. So Spark might not appeal to Apollo owners who own the Apollo because they want to use DSP plugins. The new native plugins are called UADx. This is the case whether you are using said native plugins as part of Spark or instead have purchased them outright as standalone, which is something that UA just started offering in the last month. UAD-2 are the traditional DSP plugins, as everyone has always known them. They, of course, require an Apollo or Satellite or DSP card to run. As you saw in the conversation with Kcat, UAD-2 and UADx come together as part of the same purchase, for those plugins that have been ported to native so far. You make one purchase and use either version of the plugin as you see fit. So other than Spark subscribers, everyone is buying the same stuff now. UA has ported roughly 25 plugins from UAD-2 to UADx so far, and more are getting ported every month or so. UA likes to say 1 to 2 plugins every 4 to 6 weeks will be ported. It's unclear how many plugins will ultimately be ported to native, but I imagine a healthy majority will be eventually ported, the exception being maybe some of the older plugins and/or some of the plugins created for UA by third party developers like Softube. But the idea is that, eventually, all or at least most UAD-2 plugins will be ported over to UADx, at which point anyone will be able to purchase all or at least most of the UAD library and use them in either native or DSP format. I know this stuff seems kind of complicated, but selling the same package deal (UAD-2 AND UADx together), to anyone and everyone who makes a purchase, actually simplifies things in a way. This way, it doesn't really matter who owns what DSP or whatever. You get both versions and use UADx if you want and/or UAD-2 if you can (because you own an Apollo or Satellite or DSP card). For those plugins that currently only exist in UAD-2 format, you have to own an Apollo or Satellite or DSP card to buy said plugins, naturally because they require DSP to run. However, for those plugins that currently exist in both UAD-2 and UADx format, no Apollo/Satellite/Card is required, and anyone can purchase them. So as more UAD-2 plugins get ported to UADx over time, more plugins will become available for purchase by people who don't own an Apollo/Satellite/Card. In a nutshell, if you consider that the plan is to ultimately port all or at least most of the DSP plugins to native, it really comes down to choosing between a subscription (Spark) or buying plugins outright (UAD-2/UADx). Things only seem more complicated right now because UA is in the middle of this transition. Once complete, it will actually be pretty simple. FYI, if you want to see what plugins are currently available in native format, go to the link below, scroll down a little bit, and click on the All/Native toggle to filter for plugins that are available in native format. www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins.htmlThat's about it. |
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 8, 2023 23:40:06 GMT -6
I'm sure the KIT folks are loving this exciting thread about their new launch.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2023 8:41:26 GMT -6
I'm sure the KIT folks are loving this exciting thread about their new launch. I really, REALLY like the BB N105 and the BB Mo-Q, so I’m hoping this one will be as good. I downloaded the demo yesterday, but it’s going to be a couple of days before I have a chance to open it. |
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Post by notneeson on Mar 9, 2023 9:08:25 GMT -6
I'm sure the KIT folks are loving this exciting thread about their new launch. Lol. But also, these wide ranging discussions are whey we come here in the first place to (maybe) talk about their products. |
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Post by Quint on Mar 9, 2023 9:15:11 GMT -6
Have these Kit plugins gotten more stable? Wasn't that kind of a problem with them?
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2023 9:25:06 GMT -6
Have these Kit plugins gotten more stable? Wasn't that kind of a problem with them? There were a few problems with the very first initial launch of their first plugin (BB N105). They sorted it out and relaunched the plugin. I’ve never experienced any issues personally, but I didn’t buy in until after the relaunch. I haven’t heard of any significant issues since then, or with their other plugins. |
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 9, 2023 13:31:57 GMT -6
I'm sure the KIT folks are loving this exciting thread about their new launch. Lol. But also, these wide ranging discussions are whey we come here in the first place to (maybe) talk about their products. Agreed....we've all veered off topic at times in productive ways. You have to admit though that this thread took an immediate left turn on to the third rail of UA subscription plans -- a bit frustrating to those of us that don't inhabit the UA universe. (In full transparency I do have a bit of an irrational dislike for all things UA, and that's probably showing!) |
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Post by Quint on Mar 9, 2023 13:48:15 GMT -6
I've actually had an interest in these Kit plugins for a while now, but I've never gotten around to trying them. That said, I also do have an interest in how they might sound compared to similar plugins from other makers, like UAD or Acustica. So discussion of those other plugins is relevant, at least to a point.
I do, however, hear what you're saying about the UAD discussion kind of taking over there for a while. The subscription stuff could have been talked about elsewhere.
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Post by maldenfilms on Mar 9, 2023 15:16:22 GMT -6
I've gotta be honest. I'm REALLY impressed by this so far. I've worked in some of the bigger studios here in LA that have vintage Neve desks and this thing does something that none of my 8 million other 1073 plugins can do. Try pushing the mic pre saturation on something that's a bit clean or "digital" sounding and it blows it up like a balloon, but without sounding harsh or weird. The EQ sounds excellent too, especially the low and high shelves.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 9, 2023 16:03:12 GMT -6
Lol. But also, these wide ranging discussions are whey we come here in the first place to (maybe) talk about their products. Agreed....we've all veered off topic at times in productive ways. You have to admit though that this thread took an immediate left turn on to the third rail of UA subscription plans -- a bit frustrating to those of us that don't inhabit the UA universe. (In full transparency I do have a bit of an irrational dislike for all things UA, and that's probably showing!) Totally! I agree with you, UA dominates a lot of conversations, I'm not (at all) sure they still deserve to be on such a pedestal, which is why I posted. But of course, I'm right at this minute still perpetuating the UA convo. Derp! It's getting hard to keep track of which threads aren't in some way about UA! |
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Post by drumsound on Mar 9, 2023 16:39:20 GMT -6
I'm sure the KIT folks are loving this exciting thread about their new launch. I really, REALLY like the BB N105 and the BB Mo-Q, so I’m hoping this one will be as good. I downloaded the demo yesterday, but it’s going to be a couple of days before I have a chance to open it. I like the Mo-Q a lot (I probably should have tried it on guitars today, but I might on the revision) I'll try the BB N105 someday. Seems pretty cool. I've stood in front of the actual desk, and heard it being used, but didn't get to use it. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Mar 9, 2023 17:11:43 GMT -6
The UAD 1073 MKII is basically what got me into UAD in the first place. I still think it’s a standout, but I found myself using it less and less over time, simply because it’s a major DSP hog. Now that it’s available Native, though…
Anyway, I think the IK 1073 is another worthy contender. Both are miles ahead of the old Scheps 73. But I’d be happy to give the KIT version a shot when time allows. I rarely find myself wanting to use the EQ on a 1073, but maybe this one will change that.
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