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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2023 12:54:36 GMT -6
I’m so ****ing sick of trying to figure out Hw Inserts, that I’m considering just moving to Carbon (maybe keeping my x6 too). How’s the ADDA? What should I expect to pay right now? I see SW has Carbon for $4199 that comes with PT Ultimate.
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Post by ericn on Mar 6, 2023 12:56:43 GMT -6
I’m so ****ing sick of trying to figure out Hw Inserts, that I’m considering just moving to Carbon (maybe keeping my x6 too). How’s the ADDA? What should I expect to pay right now? I see SW has Carbon for $4199 that comes with PT Ultimate. Talk to Dr Bill’s guy his prices are very hard to beat, but have that conversation in private so no one pisses AVID off. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 6, 2023 13:13:05 GMT -6
I’m so ****ing sick of trying to figure out Hw Inserts, that I’m considering just moving to Carbon (maybe keeping my x6 too). How’s the ADDA? What should I expect to pay right now? I see SW has Carbon for $4199 that comes with PT Ultimate. Talk to Dr Bill’s guy his prices are very hard to beat, but have that conversation in private so no one pisses AVID off. But, you know, let us know how it goes in general. There may be more of us interested in just such a thing someday... |
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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 13:21:45 GMT -6
Or wait until HW inserts get announced for Luna, since you've said that you do like Luna. Granted, nobody knows when that will be, though I suspect it will be within the next year that HW inserts become a reality.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 6, 2023 13:29:15 GMT -6
I really like the ADDA on my Carbon. I also love the clarity of the monitoring section. I find it much easier to mix on it than I did with my Apollo (silverface). I can't compare it to the more recent Apollos' though. You have to remember to change your buffer size though for recording vs mixing or it crashes. That may just by my system which is about the bare minimum required for the Carbon. I love doing everything within Protools and not worrying about console.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 6, 2023 15:20:58 GMT -6
I’m running mine with an M1 and it’s a really solid system. Not one lock up or crash since I got it! I really like the conversion! Destroys the Apollo conversion in my room! I had an Apollo X and a blackface here next to it. Carbon all the way! I just wished you could insert outboard while tracking, but you can do that on the front end while tracking, or just insert while mixing. I’m definitely expanding with a PRE! I’m still installing software and getting my setup configured for a full production system. Thinking about getting a UA satellite for my UA plugs, but really liking Avids and PIA’s for now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2023 16:06:16 GMT -6
Just heard from a birdie that Avid is coming out with another one like Carbon, but thunderbolt. My guy also said the conversion still wasn't on par with the Burl stuff. That makes me nervous.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 6, 2023 16:28:13 GMT -6
Just heard from a birdie that Avid is coming out with another one like Carbon, but thunderbolt. My guy also said the conversion still wasn't on par with the Burl stuff. That makes me nervous. I seriously doubt that. Carbon is using DAD's conversion tech which is among the best conversion money can buy these days. It's probably just different than Burl. Because they are totally different schools of thought. Burl is colored conversion. DAD is Clean conversion. VERY clean. I can pretty much garantee that that conversion is excellent and it won't be the units fault if your mixes suddenly "suck". Which they won't anyways. Likely it'll be a nice improvement over the Apollo ultimately. Makes sense they would release one for thunderbolt though. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2023 16:43:33 GMT -6
What's the plusses and minuses with AVB vs. Tbolt?
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Post by ericn on Mar 6, 2023 18:21:21 GMT -6
What's the plusses and minuses with AVB vs. Tbolt? AVB/ Ethernet is supposed to be capable of lower latency, but the reality is it depends. |
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Post by mythundreamt on Mar 7, 2023 14:16:35 GMT -6
John, I gotta say having the benefit of HDX with an Apollo-like box was a game changer when I got my Carbon. The total lack of latency when using DSP mode in Pro Tools for tracking with plug-ins was a final relief after years of using Thunderbolt devices and noticing some latency. Carbon has been rock solid for me and a brilliant interface.
I can do a converter comparison if you like: I recently got a console now (true zero latency tracking haha) and a 32 channel Lynx Aurora (n) and technically don’t need the Carbon anymore. I’ve been meaning to split some preamps to both interfaces to see how the conversion compares, and I’ve been wondering whether to list the Carbon or not, since I don’t see myself going back to ITB/plug-in tracking (but if I ever had to, nothing better than HDX!) after getting the console and outboard.
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 14:40:55 GMT -6
I considered going Carbon myself, but what kept me from doing it, at least in part, was because I think the DSP plugin offerings on the UAD/Apollo/Luna platform are quite a bit better than what Avid offers on the HDX/Carbon/PT platform. The other thing that kept me from going Carbon is that it's not as expandable as the Apollos are.
Now if I didn't track with plugins, or only used plugins minimally during tracking, I might have more seriously considered moving to Carbon, as I think the routing on PT/Carbon is superior to Luna/Console/Apollo, though I suppose that could change with the new Apollos when they come out.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Mar 7, 2023 14:55:03 GMT -6
I'm wondering what's the big deal with hardware inserts....?
What I mean is, if you were to incorporate some sort of summing mixer, then you can mix into whatever outboard you like, into the mixer, and then mix out using more outboard, and you're done!
NO LATENCY!
If you used a summing mixer that has no faders or pots, then recall is instant.
Wouldn't this be a pretty damn good option?
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 7, 2023 17:50:00 GMT -6
I'm wondering what's the big deal with hardware inserts....? What I mean is, if you were to incorporate some sort of summing mixer, then you can mix into whatever outboard you like, into the mixer, and then mix out using more outboard, and you're done! NO LATENCY! If you used a summing mixer that has no faders or pots, then recall is instant. Wouldn't this be a pretty damn good option? yeah sure. That's how most people did it in the late 90s and into the 2010s. And how some folks still do it. You just use Protools as a tape machine basically. However, it has drawbacks. 1) you need a lot of I/O and a big summing mixer or just straight up console if you want to use a lot of hardware on individual stuff. Like if you don't have enough I/O so you can use your fav comressor on the guitar you might had to do sub groups of everything, depending on how many channels you have. So if you don't have 32 channels out and a 32 channel console, you might be pretty limited on what you can do in the first place. 2) More importantly, you now double the work(or more) for recall. In Protools you can name your inserts, so that if you have an 1176 and an la2a, you can just name that. SO then you just insert it where you need. And then it recalls instantly. Obviously the hardware itself doesn't. But it beats having to setup your routing in the summing mixer/console and the hardware unit back up. 3) Automation. if you do this, simple volume and pan automation get WAY more complicated. Or even really impossible, or not "correct". So you cripple your automation capabilities at the same time. Hardware inserts make's your hardware as flexible as a plugin...sort of. That's the cool thing about it. Recall is a big deal if your doing a lot of mixes for lots of people. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2023 17:51:59 GMT -6
I'm wondering what's the big deal with hardware inserts....? What I mean is, if you were to incorporate some sort of summing mixer, then you can mix into whatever outboard you like, into the mixer, and then mix out using more outboard, and you're done! NO LATENCY! If you used a summing mixer that has no faders or pots, then recall is instant. Wouldn't this be a pretty damn good option? Yeah a console / summing mixer is great and the old school standard for inserts, but you have to have the space and $ ! |
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Post by sean on Mar 7, 2023 18:18:32 GMT -6
I think the advantage of hardware inserts in Pro Tools is they are before automation…and once your mix is done you can “commit” those tracks that have hardware automation and have all your individual stems in the length of the song, instead of having to print each element of the mix in real time to make the stem
Of course, this will be “pre” your mix buss stuff but, still, much more convenient/quick
Yes, it’s sucks either way. I hate stems. But understand the necessity/desire for them
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2023 12:50:27 GMT -6
I'm wondering what's the big deal with hardware inserts....? What I mean is, if you were to incorporate some sort of summing mixer, then you can mix into whatever outboard you like, into the mixer, and then mix out using more outboard, and you're done! NO LATENCY! If you used a summing mixer that has no faders or pots, then recall is instant. Wouldn't this be a pretty damn good option? Well, $3500ish for say - a 16 channel Sumbus...$1-3k for more I/O...then however many more thousands for outboard HW. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2023 14:30:19 GMT -6
I loved the feature set of Carbon, I so wish they'd included AES so I can still use my Crane Song Avocet and HEDD 192.
Even RME mid range interfaces have AES, it would of made Carbon really attractive as a package.
I have been toying with switching to mixing in Pro tools over Cubase.
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