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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 12:22:59 GMT -6
Anybody got one that they really like?
I'm looking at picking up a 6 or 8 channel DI to use with keyboards. I have a couple of RNDIs that I currently use, but I'd like to expand my number of available inputs. Active or passive. I could be convinced to go either way.
I'm currently looking at the Phoenix N8, Radial JD6, and Radial Pro D8, but I'm open to ideas.
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Post by ericn on Mar 6, 2023 12:58:53 GMT -6
For just a basic small 4 ch DI you can’t beat the price of used Stewart 4 ch DI’s. They are active and can be ru off of phantom or Walwart .
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Post by christophert on Mar 6, 2023 13:08:40 GMT -6
I've had a Pheonix Audio N8 on order for over 6 months now... waiting / but running out of patience.
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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 14:24:17 GMT -6
I've had a Pheonix Audio N8 on order for over 6 months now... waiting / but running out of patience. Wow. That's good to know Hmmm... It's on sale, which is part of the reason I was considering it, but I need something sooner than later.
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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 14:24:48 GMT -6
For just a basic small 4 ch DI you can’t beat the price of used Stewart 4 ch DI’s. They are active and can be ru off of phantom or Walwart . Never heard of them. I'll check them out. Though I kind of would prefer something rackmount.
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Post by hadaja on Mar 6, 2023 14:46:21 GMT -6
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Post by Darren Boling on Mar 6, 2023 18:35:47 GMT -6
Did a shootout with a buddy that had all sorts of DI's. Avalon, Highland Dynamics custom job, Radial, my ZOD, my OLLA and another 6ch rack mount thing I can't remember. He right away ordered the 4ch rack OLLA.
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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 19:53:44 GMT -6
Did a shootout with a buddy that had all sorts of DI's. Avalon, Highland Dynamics custom job, Radial, my ZOD, my OLLA and another 6ch rack mount thing I can't remember. He right away ordered the 4ch rack OLLA. I guess I should have qualified my original post. There is a limit to how much I want to spend, and I'd say that limit is in the $1500 range or less. I've been aware of those Ollas, and heard nothing but good things, but that's way more than I can or want to spend on this. Eight channels of Olla would unfortunately be over double my budget. Honestly, what I may be considering now is just getting a TRS patch bay to rack near my keyboards, and just have all of the outputs of my keyboards show up there, along with the inputs to my pair of RNDIs (which I quite like), and then just patch as needed. It certainly would be a lot cheaper and only a little more effort than having everything wired up to a multichannel DI. I still may go the multichannel DI route though. I'm weighing options. It still would be nice though to have everything patched up and ready to go through the desired recording chain at all times, for all 6 to 8 channels. I'm kind of on a mission to have everything set up in stations in my studio, with 40 channels (or at least nearly as much of 40 channels as I can afford) set and ready to record at all times. No patching, or at least VERY little. No knob turning, or at least VERY little. Just turn things on, open the DAW, and hit record.
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Post by RealNoob on Mar 6, 2023 22:19:39 GMT -6
I keep picking up RNDIs when I can. they do a great job to me.
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Post by Quint on Mar 6, 2023 22:41:35 GMT -6
I keep picking up RNDIs when I can. they do a great job to me. Yeah, RNDIs have kind of become my standard DI for everything, other than electric guitar, where I have three LL Redeyes, because they can also pull double duty as dedicated reampers. I'd still like to pick up a Zod or two eventually, for more specialty purposes, where you want a more overtly colored tone, but I don't strictly need that. I have five RNDIs, of which I use two parked on the outputs of my Neo Ventilator coming out of the Hammond M3, two parked on keyboards, and one parked on bass. Speaking of bass, just running thru the RNDI improved the sound coming out of the bass amp, nevermind the tone of the DI signal itself. I'm guessing it's a combo of the loading that the RNDI places on the bass guitar, plus whatever tone the circuit itself is adding. I really like the RNDI.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 23:57:22 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 12:39:24 GMT -6
Ah, I forgot about this one. I'll look more into it. There, somewhat surprisingly, are not a lot of options out there for multi channel DIs.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 7, 2023 14:09:09 GMT -6
I've been eyeing the Phoenix N8 for the same reasons. After reading the Alice Audio Mixer thread, I wonder if they could/would custom build an 8 channel rackmount DI with similar features to the N8
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Mar 7, 2023 16:19:20 GMT -6
I recently built a few custom,1U, 8ch DI racks They are based around our OLLA DI transformer which can receive both balanced and unbalanced signals of any level. Then followed with an active gain stage which can drive a nail though concrete. This is not a line product but I have a few boards left over if there is any interest. Here is an Instagram post with images and more details… http://instagram.com/p/ClKLKpFvPPS
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 16:20:32 GMT -6
I recently built a few custom,1U, 8ch DI racks They are based around our OLLA DI transformer which can receive both balanced and unbalanced signals of any level. Then followed with an active gain stage which can drive a nail though concrete. This is not a line product but I have a few boards left over if there is any interest. Here is an Instagram post with images and more details… http://instagr.am/p/ClKLKpFvPPS PM'ed
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 7, 2023 16:56:13 GMT -6
I don’t need one of these but the fact that Quint does and then Pueblo Audio happens to have a few pieces that might work out is what makes this place so cool.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Mar 7, 2023 17:09:59 GMT -6
I recently built a few custom,1U, 8ch DI racks They are based around our OLLA DI transformer which can receive both balanced and unbalanced signals of any level. Then followed with an active gain stage which can drive a nail though concrete. This is not a line product but I have a few boards left over if there is any interest. Here is an Instagram post with images and more details… http://instagr.am/p/ClKLKpFvPPS PM'ed Ok, but first, please to not throw anything at me! :-) Understand this is not a mass-produced item where economy of scale helps the bottom line. This is a custom, low count, hand built thing with legit, fancy-pants components installed. A “ lamborghini”, so to speak. I’m afraid the price materialized as $4799. I kno… but there it is. I should also add that I still have some bits to make a previous product called OLLA-4. This is 4 of our standard OLLA DI box in one 1U rack. I would have to recalculate a present price to take into account the horrible inflation we all are enduring at present. OLLA DI box described here… puebloaudio.com/olla-di.html
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 17:15:22 GMT -6
Ok, first, please to not throw anything at me! :-) Understand this is not a mass-produced item where economy of scale helps the bottom line. This is a custom, low count, hand built thing with legit, fancy-pants components installed. A “ lamborghini”, so to speak. I’m afraid the price materialized as $4799. I kno… but there it is. I should also add that I still have some bits to make a previous product called OLLA-4. This is 4 of our standard OLLA DI box in one 1U rack. I would have to recalculate a present price to take into account the horrible inflation we all are enduring at present. I'm sure that 8 channel unit sounds fantastic, but, yep, that's a lot more $ than I can do, unfortunately. Oh well, I'm sure the person who originally commissioned these has some pretty nice DIs on their hands.
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2023 18:02:33 GMT -6
For just a basic small 4 ch DI you can’t beat the price of used Stewart 4 ch DI’s. They are active and can be ru off of phantom or Walwart . Never heard of them. I'll check them out. Though I kind of would prefer something rackmount. You either love the 1/2 rack form factor or hate it, on this one I love it because I can always rack a couple on a Penn Elcom shelf or in this case it can live in the go bag! Basically I love the idea of 4 decent active DI’s in a package the size of 1 Countryman and for a bit less used. As much as I love everything in a rack , I love that I can just throw this thing on the floor where needed and don’t have to worry! I bought my first because it was $10 more than a single ch and from what I have read it’s the same circuit so an additional $10 for 3 additional ch is a no brainer. In fact I might buy another tonight.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 7, 2023 18:05:00 GMT -6
Maybe matt@IAA could build an 8 Channel di, similar to his Portia Street Stomp, for a reasonable price?
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 18:18:32 GMT -6
Maybe matt@IAA could build an 8 Channel di, similar to his Portia Street Stomp, for a reasonable price? That's maybe not a bad idea. That said, I think the Portia has a lot more tweakability than I'm looking for. I'm decidedly not looking to have a bunch of knobs. I was looking for simple in and out, with pad/phase/lift switches and a thru. So I want it to sound good, but I don't want tweaking options, not really, other than possibly gain, but I'm not even sure about that. That's why I like the RNDI. It sounds good and does the job without requiring any thinking on my part. There's already enough tweaking to do elsewhere at the preamp, compressor, etc. So I'm really just looking for something simple that sounds good, hence my original interest in the Radial stuff, the Phoenix N8, or other stuff like those. Or maybe I should just get 4 to 6 more RNDIs and just Velcro them all to a shelf.
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Post by keymod on Mar 7, 2023 18:23:50 GMT -6
Wouldn't a summing mixer work? Lots to choose from.....
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 18:27:46 GMT -6
Wouldn't a summing mixer work? Lots to choose from..... Not if I want each channel to individually make it's way to the computer. Otherwise, yeah, I would have just gotten a mixer of some kind and called it a day.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 7, 2023 18:42:09 GMT -6
Maybe matt@IAA could build an 8 Channel di, similar to his Portia Street Stomp, for a reasonable price? That's maybe not a bad idea. That said, I think the Portia has a lot more tweakability than I'm looking for. I'm decidedly not looking to have a bunch of knobs. I was looking for simple in and out, with pad/phase/lift switches and a thru. So I want it to sound good, but I don't want tweaking options, not really, other than possibly gain, but I'm not even sure about that. That's why I like the RNDI. It sounds good and does the job without requiring any thinking on my part. There's already enough tweaking to do elsewhere at the preamp, compressor, etc. So I'm really just looking for something simple that sounds good, hence my original interest in the Radial stuff, the Phoenix N8, or other stuff like those. Or maybe I should just get 4 to 6 more RNDIs and just Velcro them all to a shelf. Yeah I was thinking of a setup exactly like the Phoenx N8: Input, output, thru and gain...all through some nice vibey transformers. For my purposes I'd need to be able to run it straight into my A/D, it defeats the purpose if I have to use additional preamps. I'd have already hit up Matt if I had the money to spend, but alas there are too many other purchases.
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Post by Quint on Mar 7, 2023 20:46:38 GMT -6
That's maybe not a bad idea. That said, I think the Portia has a lot more tweakability than I'm looking for. I'm decidedly not looking to have a bunch of knobs. I was looking for simple in and out, with pad/phase/lift switches and a thru. So I want it to sound good, but I don't want tweaking options, not really, other than possibly gain, but I'm not even sure about that. That's why I like the RNDI. It sounds good and does the job without requiring any thinking on my part. There's already enough tweaking to do elsewhere at the preamp, compressor, etc. So I'm really just looking for something simple that sounds good, hence my original interest in the Radial stuff, the Phoenix N8, or other stuff like those. Or maybe I should just get 4 to 6 more RNDIs and just Velcro them all to a shelf. Yeah I was thinking of a setup exactly like the Phoenx N8: Input, output, thru and gain...all through some nice vibey transformers. For my purposes I'd need to be able to run it straight into my A/D, it defeats the purpose if I have to use additional preamps. I'd have already hit up Matt if I had the money to spend, but alas there are too many other purchases. Yeah, we're more or less on the same page, gain control knob aside. My plan is control at the preamps, but either approach works. Honestly, if I did pickup the N8, I might actually sell a few preamps, because I might not need them. Six months wait though. That's the big problem for me. I need this sooner than later, and it seems unclear how soon they will be in stock.
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