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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:31:05 GMT -6
40+ mixes without your Bricasti? Is it going up on the chopping block? And what’s the hold up with HW inserts in Luna? Seems like an intentional decision rather than something they just can’t figure out how to do. Yeah - have you found the juice isn’t worth the squeeze with the bricasti? No nothing like that ... LUNA doesn't have hardware inserts and I have so much work to do its a non problem at this point.... I grabbed the LIQUIDSONICS Bricasti during the Black Friday sale and it allows me to keep going... when I get this all done and have sorted out what I am doing regards releasing material going forward...( I have no fu*((Cing idea what I am going to do at this point LOL.....)I will decide on the BRICASTI's future at that point. The plug in version, does no damage as far as proceeding with the tunes. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:33:04 GMT -6
wiz could you post the old mix too? It would be cool to compare Hey Ragan thanks for checking it out. The old mix has no relevance.. as it was completely different version, I am retracking most things on these tunes, and this is a completely new song. I could post a couple of mixes without the tape and say one with out the summing, but its probably pointless and non representative as I essentially track and mix with that stuff from the start. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 17:37:29 GMT -6
Just listened in my studio...sounds great. Are all your snare hits the same velocity? That's the only thing I'd suggest - maybe vary them a bit so it sounds more like a human screwing things up. Hey John thanks for making the effort to listen on your mixing rig, and with that Trinnov system you have, and the quality of work you turn out, that is the sort of confidence tick I was looking for.. this being a whole method for me. Regards the drums.... I just checked the drums in Superior..and there is variation.. perhaps not enough though if you feel its machine gunning....thanks for the heads up. cheers Wiz |
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2023 17:40:18 GMT -6
Just listened in my studio...sounds great. Are all your snare hits the same velocity? That's the only thing I'd suggest - maybe vary them a bit so it sounds more like a human screwing things up. Funny you mention that. I took a listen and was thinking the same thing. That said, this does sound pretty great. Nice mix Wiz. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2023 17:43:07 GMT -6
Wiz goes Taylor Swift, and I like it ! It just works! Taylor Swift? 8) Thanks for checking it out Waffle House Bro!!! cheers Wiz The whole re-recording! |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 30, 2023 17:56:54 GMT -6
I feel like I read in a different thread somewhere your rationale for taking everything down. Do you mind saying again?
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 18:03:30 GMT -6
Taylor Swift? 8) Thanks for checking it out Waffle House Bro!!! cheers Wiz The whole re-recording! Ahhhhhhh !!! 8) |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 18:06:27 GMT -6
I feel like I read in a different thread somewhere your rationale for taking everything down. Do you mind saying again? I don't know if I fully explained myself.. and not sure I can ... really.... Its a few things......time of life.....cant make any money of CD sales..... streaming sales blow... dissatisfaction with stuff I recorded earlier...LUNA coming along and me loving its workflow and sound... So I thought F#$k it!!! I am going to pull everything down, and re look at each tune and make it the best I can... Honestly... Legacy probably is the honest answer.... re do my catalogue and say.. there that's it... that's what I did... f*ck the money... cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2023 18:12:17 GMT -6
I heard wiz was really really pissed that his previous mgr wouldn't sell him back his back catalogue. so, you know, tit for tat ! |
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Post by reddirt on Jan 30, 2023 18:50:35 GMT -6
Wiz , do you busk at all - i could see this being really popular if you did a mix minus main guitar and lead vocal and busked in a good spot ; it's not going to get you a #1 but it will give a lot more people
the affirming experience of hearing what you do and you'll feel in return, a validity and reason - not just pissing in the snow.
I've just finished an album for a bloke ( Barry Skipsey) who's literally sold several thousands of CDs to tourists in Central Australia over the years - probably averages half s dozen each time {he plays sort of Australiana but low on Jingoism with some really good songs - 2 recorded by Slim Dusty ("End of the Bitumen" and "Good Heavens above);
He's in the process of negotiating this phase out of CDs paradigm but is getting an initial run of 500 printed for the new album and will heavily emphasise a new web site being developed right now where people can download under his terms if hey feel so inspired.
His plan next year is to tour nationally for part of the year and do house concerts / country halls / folk festivals . It's about educating the potential audience and ultimately connecting with them to the point they want to either buy CDs if that still suits but in most cases, access the web site for all that's offered ; it wont make him rich and famous but people need to hear it to respond and of course he sees the country and has a good life.
Not sure if it would work in any way for you but you never know - he's in his early 60's but is driven to get people to listen whatever way he can.
On a side note what computer are you using these days (Ram / Storage etc?) and how's it doing with these new recordings.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 30, 2023 22:12:07 GMT -6
Okay, so I deleted ALL my music off streaming sites etc... I am redoing ALL of it....and here is the first completed tune. I am using LUNA as my DAW... Now one caveat....atm LUNA can't do external hardware...so no Bricasti on this.. but it does use Liquidsonics version of the bricasti. The interface I am using is the Apollo 8x. I have an OCTO satellite...and a fair smattering of UA's plugs. I use the API Summing, 1084 EQ, ATR102 Tape, Studer A800, 1176AE, 176, etc. Two buss comp is SSLs ITB G buss 2. Drums are me playing my Roland TD17 e kit, into Superior Drummer 3 Hansa Live Room The electric guitar is UA's Dream pedal, with a Jam Pedals Pink Flow in front of it. Les Paul. The acoustic is Taylor 327 is Rode NTR into Seimens V72. Bass Fender Classic Vibe Jazz Bass UA Apollo HI- Z into Ampeg plug in. Vocal as always is my U87i into 1073 BAE DMP Claps and percussion are U87 into V72 back ground Vox are Rode NT1 into Apollo preamp then transposed an octave down with LUNA . I have so far retracked and remixed over 40 tunes. I really REALLY dig LUNA. Its by far the best sounding DAW I have used. I also have gelled with its workflow like a duck to water. Very happy camper. Would love some non rose coloured glasses feedback on the mix though...LOL... Please comment listening on your studio rig... I have no idea what I am going to do about releasing this stuff....going forward, but for now just head down bum up in the studio getting it all done. You can check out the tune here Troubadour ( A Tribute to JJ Cale)EDIT - Question already asked and answered. Wait, wait, wait... haven't listened yet but do I understand you correctly? You're rerecording everything you've ever released??? That's quite a project! Sounds kinda fun but I'm curious why you're doing it. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 30, 2023 22:20:30 GMT -6
OK, took a listen. That vocal sounds really great. I'm a huge JJ Cale fan and you definitely caught his vibe.
Only thing I might add is that JJ Cale albums (the early ones anyway) were also know for his really muffled drum tone. Only thing I might have done differently was to dull up the drums a bit. I actually like the drum tone you have but it could have been interested to go "Full JJ" and see.
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Post by donr on Jan 30, 2023 22:51:04 GMT -6
Wiz, I've always liked your artistry, voice and recording chops. My frustration with The Troubadour is the chorus vocal and slide guitar compete in the same frequency register, and I can't really understand what you say in the chorus. I know you often sing in that key so this is something new to me, your previous recordings that I know feature your vocal clearly, as they should, since your voice is your calling card.
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 23:10:33 GMT -6
Wait, wait, wait... haven't listened yet but do I understand you correctly? You're rerecording everything you've ever released??? That's quite a project! Sounds kinda fun but I'm curious why you're doing it. I sorta answered that a couple of posts above your.....it is actually really enjoyable... cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 23:12:41 GMT -6
OK, took a listen. That vocal sounds really great. I'm a huge JJ Cale fan and you definitely caught his vibe. Only thing I might add is that JJ Cale albums (the early ones anyway) were also know for his really muffled drum tone. Only thing I might have done differently was to dull up the drums a bit. I actually like the drum tone you have but it could have been interested to go "Full JJ" and see. thanks for having a listen.... Yeah JJ is a huge influence.... and it was at that "old record shop" that I bought Naturally by JJ, can live at the Regal by BB, and a Clapton Album that had Further on up the road on it... which is where that all came from for the lyrics of the song. And then just after I got home with the albums, I was reading an interview with Mark Knopfler (My other big influence) and he mentioned Live at the Regal... it was all so synchronised. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 30, 2023 23:13:55 GMT -6
Wiz, I've always liked your artistry, voice and recording chops. My frustration with The Troubadour is the chorus vocal and slide guitar compete in the same frequency register, and I can't really understand what you say in the chorus. I know you often sing in that key so this is something new to me, your previous recordings that I know feature your vocal clearly, as they should, since your voice is your calling card. Hey Don thanks so much for having a listen and providing the feed back on the clarity of the vocal vs the slide.... I will definitely look into it as the lyrics are important...I am a habitual mumbler....8) thanks again mate, hope you are well. cheers Wiz |
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Post by donr on Jan 30, 2023 23:53:33 GMT -6
Wiz, I've always liked your artistry, voice and recording chops. My frustration with The Troubadour is the chorus vocal and slide guitar compete in the same frequency register, and I can't really understand what you say in the chorus. I know you often sing in that key so this is something new to me, your previous recordings that I know feature your vocal clearly, as they should, since your voice is your calling card. Hey Don thanks so much for having a listen and providing the feed back on the clarity of the vocal vs the slide.... I will definitely look into it as the lyrics are important...I am a habitual mumbler....8) thanks again mate, hope you are well. cheers Wiz Peter, I'm drawing breath and still well. I value meeting you and your wife at RGO's first, and to date only, meetup in Nashville, too long ago! I carry that for all met at that event. At my risk of giving mix advice (Do I sound like the guy from the ad agency or the label?) amidst a board of many professional AE's, perhaps gently compressing the vocal to sit a bit more forward in your mix without disturbing the dynamic, and/or ducking the slide w/ the vocal until you notice it, then backing it up 'till it's natural? The release swell of the slide level when the vocal pauses might be musical. (I'm thinking of Mike Shipley's recording of Allison Kraus and Union Station [God I miss that guy!].) Not sure if it's the best recorded representation of Union Station, but it's certainly pleasing to the ear. Shipley was a master. Personally, I REALLY enjoy audible effects of compression in studio recordings. They only need to be artful. Over my time on the planet, the small speakers have gotten better, but they're still small. The job for recording engineers/mixers IMO really hasn't changed. Apologize for the degree I've hijacked the thread. I tend to do that, when I've got free time to post! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 31, 2023 0:22:59 GMT -6
To donr's point. I just processed a vocal through a CL1b. I don't love LA2A's, so I expected not to love the CL1b because they're similar designs. I also like clean compression. In this instance, I could hear the CL1b gripping the vocal, but for some reason I liked the sound this time. And that vocal sat in the mix just right.
So maybe give donr's suggestion a try, just i case it works. Nothing ventured, nothing gained..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 12:40:10 GMT -6
It's an impressive mix Wiz and I hear this a lot with (modern) well engineered ITB, very focussed, lots of sonic clarity and I'm enamoured with the qualities of it. However it doesn't slap me in the face and twist my nerps. This is what makes me horrendously bad at my own stuff but an effective third party mix engineer, I can spot problems galore and tear something apart. With your track, there isn't any problems.. Technically speaking it's great, extremely well balanced, lots of seperation, no mud, no issues. This sort of mix warps my mind because I can never quite decide whether it's a good thing or not. Is it art or a technical showcase? Anyway, it does show how much engineering skill matters and I think you should honestly be proud of it. I guess I just like a bit of chocolate on my digestives, not healthy but I enjoy the taste nevertheless.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is, you know how to mix so work backwards meaning variate and screw stuff up a bit. Congeal it a bit with more verb, randomise the snare, do everything that doesn't feel quite natural. You're well past the point of doing this because you don't know how, it's time to get messy.
P.S Can't believe I'm saying that, 99.9% of the time it's the other way round.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 31, 2023 12:56:15 GMT -6
I try my best to use the mixes that feel good, even when I have a better mix technically. It's not easy letting go that way.
In the case of Peter's track here, I'd say leave well enough alone and take the win. But I also agree with Shadow, it's good to be bad sometimes, in the right amount.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 31, 2023 14:14:32 GMT -6
I love the vibe of this and the production. The vocal could be a little more out front as some have said. donr made a lot of comments I agree with. Someone mentioned the drums being bright and present and I agree pulling them back would really nail the JJ Cale thing. I know nothing about Superior Drums, but is there a way to change mics on the room or overheads? Maybe something darker would work to alter the drums a touch. I feel like I've seen acoustic drums in your pictures, or is that just not an option in your room? I think a song like this, with nice simple playing like you do, would be better off with the real element. The electronic thing wipes out a lot of humanity. All the other tracks feel really personal, but the drums don't. I love your use of percussion on this. It's simple, classic, and perfect. |
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Post by wiz on Jan 31, 2023 16:59:40 GMT -6
On a side note what computer are you using these days (Ram / Storage etc?) and how's it doing with these new recordings. Cheers, Ross Hey Ross the computer I am using is a M1 Mac mini, 512G HD, 8G Ram, running Monterey 12.6.... If I were buying again, I would get 16G ram.. though I get by fine on 8GB, just have to be careful. thanks for the ideas... cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 31, 2023 17:01:44 GMT -6
Peter, I'm drawing breath and still well. I value meeting you and your wife at RGO's first, and to date only, meetup in Nashville, too long ago! I carry that for all met at that event. At my risk of giving mix advice (Do I sound like the guy from the ad agency or the label?) amidst a board of many professional AE's, perhaps gently compressing the vocal to sit a bit more forward in your mix without disturbing the dynamic, and/or ducking the slide w/ the vocal until you notice it, then backing it up 'till it's natural? The release swell of the slide level when the vocal pauses might be musical. (I'm thinking of Mike Shipley's recording of Allison Kraus and Union Station [God I miss that guy!].) Not sure if it's the best recorded representation of Union Station, but it's certainly pleasing to the ear. Shipley was a master. Personally, I REALLY enjoy audible effects of compression in studio recordings. They only need to be artful. Over my time on the planet, the small speakers have gotten better, but they're still small. The job for recording engineers/mixers IMO really hasn't changed. Apologize for the degree I've hijacked the thread. I tend to do that, when I've got free time to post! Certainly no apology necessary... Its an interesting point regards side chaining..... nice one. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 31, 2023 17:04:25 GMT -6
It's an impressive mix Wiz and I hear this a lot with (modern) well engineered ITB, very focussed, lots of sonic clarity and I'm enamoured with the qualities of it. However it doesn't slap me in the face and twist my nerps. This is what makes me horrendously bad at my own stuff but an effective third party mix engineer, I can spot problems galore and tear something apart. With your track, there isn't any problems.. Technically speaking it's great, extremely well balanced, lots of seperation, no mud, no issues. This sort of mix warps my mind because I can never quite decide whether it's a good thing or not. Is it art or a technical showcase? Anyway, it does show how much engineering skill matters and I think you should honestly be proud of it. I guess I just like a bit of chocolate on my digestives, not healthy but I enjoy the taste nevertheless.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is, you know how to mix so work backwards meaning variate and screw stuff up a bit. Congeal it a bit with more verb, randomise the snare, do everything that doesn't feel quite natural. You're well past the point of doing this because you don't know how, it's time to get messy.
P.S Can't believe I'm saying that, 99.9% of the time it's the other way round.
"twist my nerps" LOL... that got a very loud guffaw from me...... 8) nice one.... I appreciate the listen and the constructive feedback. I love clean mixes... its what I strive for....but... but... I take your point...I can do that... perhaps spread the mixing artistic wings a bit and be different.. its worth a try..I have time ... thanks again. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jan 31, 2023 17:07:10 GMT -6
I love the vibe of this and the production. The vocal could be a little more out front as some have said. donr made a lot of comments I agree with. Someone mentioned the drums being bright and present and I agree pulling them back would really nail the JJ Cale thing. I know nothing about Superior Drums, but is there a way to change mics on the room or overheads? Maybe something darker would work to alter the drums a touch. I feel like I've seen acoustic drums in your pictures, or is that just not an option in your room? I think a song like this, with nice simple playing like you do, would be better off with the real element. The electronic thing wipes out a lot of humanity. All the other tracks feel really personal, but the drums don't. I love your use of percussion on this. It's simple, classic, and perfect. Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment.... I used to do real drums.....but made the decision to go this way.. a while back, and sold off all my outboard drums console etc. The great thing about using Superior, is I can make changes after the recording of the drums... so its not really a big deal, to change out the whole kit, ambiences etc. So its definitely something I will try. Cheers Wiz |
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