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Post by Quint on Jan 28, 2023 18:26:45 GMT -6
Anybody know anything about or ever used manufactured wall panels that have a layer of felt-like material with a bunch of wall slats already glued to them? The ones I've looked at seem to have about an 11 mm (1/2") layer of some kind of felt-like material or duct-liner type material with slats glued to them at about a 3 to 1 slat to slot (absorption) ratio. Here's a few examples (links below): Acuslat
Wood Panel Wall
The Wood Veneer HubAnyway, are these useful for anything at all in a studio context, if just placed directly on a wall? What about if they instead were placed over a layer of Rockwool or possibly even over a thicker layer of insulation, say a foot of pink fluffy or something? Here's an example of how these look:   |
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 28, 2023 21:07:33 GMT -6
Ooh good question. These could potentially make a great face for a bass trap.
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Post by Quint on Jan 28, 2023 21:12:38 GMT -6
Ooh good question. These could potentially make a great face for a bass trap. Yeah, a bass trap or maybe on walls with some rockwool behind them. The installation manual for them even has graphs showing how performance improves, and how to go about installation, by putting Rockwool behind these panels. So they've already contemplated this. It looks to take nothing more than placing 2"x2"s on the wall, with 2" rockwool between then, and then screw the panels into the 2"x2"s. Attachments:
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Post by keymod on Jan 29, 2023 11:31:51 GMT -6
These all look nice, but cost can add up quickly.
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Post by Quint on Jan 29, 2023 11:43:26 GMT -6
These all look nice, but cost can add up quickly. Yeah, a 4'x8' section of wall would cost $300, so I hear you. That said, wood isn't exactly cheap right now and, unless you're doing the labor yourself, neither is cutting and attaching all of that wood if you were to individually attach each slat on its own. Add in the cost of some Guilford of Maine fabric, behind all of these slats that you're individually cutting and attaching, and the price of the wood, fabric and labor starts to get expensive too. The nice thing with these panels is that you can attach them in no time at all. I need to do a price comparison to see how these panels might compare to doing it all DIY with individually cut/attached slats and GOM fabric. Price concerns aside, I'm just interested in seeing if these panels might work well in at least some applications, like as a covering over a bass trap or something. As much as anything, I'm wondering if the "felt" layer, used as the backing for the slats, might detrimentally impact the effectiveness of any absorber or bass trap that you might put behind these panels. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 29, 2023 13:39:16 GMT -6
These all look nice, but cost can add up quickly. Yeah, a 4'x8' section of wall would cost $300, so I hear you. That said, wood isn't exactly cheap right now and, unless you're doing the labor yourself, neither is cutting and attaching all of that wood if you were to individually attach each slat on its own. Add in the cost of some Guilford of Maine fabric, behind all of these slats that you're individually cutting and attaching, and the price of the wood, fabric and labor starts to get expensive too. The nice thing with these panels is that you can attach them in no time at all. I need to do a price comparison to see how these panels might compare to doing it all DIY with individually cut/attached slats and GOM fabric. Price concerns aside, I'm just interested in seeing if these panels might work well in at least some applications, like as a covering over a bass trap or something. As much as anything, I'm wondering if the "felt" layer, used as the backing for the slats, might detrimentally impact the effectiveness of any absorber or bass trap that you might put behind these panels. I would imagine it might be advantageous to NOT use the slatted pieces end-to-end on a wall, but rather, leave some space between slatted sections for increased HF absorption, and to prevent/minimize any weird acoustic lobing (in an ideal world, there'd be different options for the width of individual slats). So you could probably cover an 8' x 8' section of wall for around that same $300, though I'd probably spend a bit more, and do alternating sections of 1' of slatted, a space of only absorption, 2' slatted, absorption, etc. Build that whole thing over a 6-8" deep bit of rock wool, and put an air gap behind the whole thing, and you're looking at a pretty excellent broadband absorber that would work great in a live room. My studio partner is on vacation right now, but this thread has me psyched for a discussion with him about rebuilding one of our walls (the one that the drums typically sit in front of). The room needs a bit more LF control and this strikes me as an excellent solution. Based on my rough math (and even rougher understanding of acoustics 🤣), I reckon we could very effectively trap LF around 100hz, and maybe even a smidge lower, while not killing the 'live' aspect of our live room in the mids and HF. Very exciting. I'm gonna price something out hopefully tonight. Quint - if you could share your price sheet here in the thread, I'd really appreciate it. I'll do the same when I get mine made. Thanks! |
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Post by Quint on Jan 29, 2023 17:13:13 GMT -6
Yeah, a 4'x8' section of wall would cost $300, so I hear you.  That said, wood isn't exactly cheap right now and, unless you're doing the labor yourself, neither is cutting and attaching all of that wood if you were to individually attach each slat on its own.  Add in the cost of some Guilford of Maine fabric, behind all of these slats that you're individually cutting and attaching, and the price of the wood, fabric and labor starts to get expensive too.  The nice thing with these panels is that you can attach them in no time at all.  I need to do a price comparison to see how these panels might compare to doing it all DIY with individually cut/attached slats and GOM fabric. Price concerns aside, I'm just interested in seeing if these panels might work well in at least some applications, like as a covering over a bass trap or something.  As much as anything, I'm wondering if the "felt" layer, used as the backing for the slats, might detrimentally impact the effectiveness of any absorber or bass trap that you might put behind these panels.  I would imagine it might be advantageous to NOT use the slatted pieces end-to-end on a wall, but rather, leave some space between slatted sections for increased HF absorption, and to prevent/minimize any weird acoustic lobing (in an ideal world, there'd be different options for the width of individual slats). So you could probably cover an 8' x 8' section of wall for around that same $300, though I'd probably spend a bit more, and do alternating sections of 1' of slatted, a space of only absorption, 2' slatted, absorption, etc. Build that whole thing over a 6-8" deep bit of rock wool, and put an air gap behind the whole thing, and you're looking at a pretty excellent broadband absorber that would work great in a live room. My studio partner is on vacation right now, but this thread has me psyched for a discussion with him about rebuilding one of our walls (the one that the drums typically sit in front of). The room needs a bit more LF control and this strikes me as an excellent solution. Based on my rough math (and even rougher understanding of acoustics 🤣), I reckon we could very effectively trap LF around 100hz, and maybe even a smidge lower, while not killing the 'live' aspect of our live room in the mids and HF. Very exciting. I'm gonna price something out hopefully tonight. Quint - if you could share your price sheet here in the thread, I'd really appreciate it. I'll do the same when I get mine made. Thanks! I haven't done an exhaustive price comparison but, based on the width of 66" and the price of $21.50 per yard of GOM FR701, there are 16.5 sq ft in one yard and that runs at $1.30 per sq ft.  So assuming no slop, which there inevitably will be, a 4x8 section of wall would cost $41.70 for the fabric. There are a lot of options for wood, and the prices seem to be fluctuating all the time, so it's a little hard to nail down.  That said, just looking at some prices for different kinds of wood that I might want to use for slats, the wood would run $100 or more for a 4x8 section of wall. So that's at least roughly $150 total for a 4x8 section of wall, though I imagine it will be closer to $200 when it's all said and done.  Those premade panels would run $300 for the same size wall, so that's going to cost $100 to $150 more for a 4x8 section of wall.  That said, those panels would be so easy to slap up there that they still appeal to me, even given the price difference.  Granted, on a big job, the difference in cost might add up.  However, we're also not talking about labor at all.  If you do the work yourself to build a custom wall with fabric and slats, you save on the labor, but this kind of work is time consuming, for whatever that's worth.  If you pay somebody to build something like this from scratch, I think the cost difference between the custom job and premade panel is eliminated.  So it's kind of a wash if you don't want to or can't do the work yourself. That's my two cents.  I'm still interested in these panels as a cover for bass traps and absorbers.  I really just want to see if anyone has any knowledge of whether or not the felt/duct liner kind of material that is uses for these panels will significantly impede the absorber or bass trap behind these panels from doing the intended job.  If you custom build something like this, with GOM fabric, that stuff is basically transparent and I don't think you'd need to worry about anything.  That's basically what my decision is coming down to.  How transparent is the felt/duct liner material that is being used on these panels? |
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Post by winetree on Jan 29, 2023 19:31:35 GMT -6
    With the pre-made panels you are paying for connivence. Time and money do add up. Having more time than Money, I've built numerous slated walls in various parts of Studio A. The Slats are backed with Material and Safe'n'Sound. The Vocal area is backed with 703. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 1, 2023 4:27:31 GMT -6
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 2, 2023 14:04:22 GMT -6
My entire room is built along the strategies mentioned here. Having cabinet maker skills and equipment helped to keep costs down. This was my second room build so I tore down the old one and reused everything due to 2x4's being over $9 each back in 2020. I used 4x8 sheets of birch ply and cut them based on various other rooms I referenced online going this route. You can check out photos of the build here. Fabric is Guilford of Maine. Basic strategy is making the room dead and then bringing it back to life with slats. Worked extremely well for me and I'm happy with the results I get in here, translation-wise. This room's on a slab. Wish I had finished the goddamn ceiling though. I was in a massive hurry though not to delay our record (forthcoming) so I shortcut there. About five weeks working nights to get it done. Original room was 17.5' x 14.5', final room about 13.5' x 10.5'. Edit: no formal plans for it, just went for feel and keeping as many surfaces out of parallel as possible. Front wall angles in 5 degrees at the top. Nice aesthetics as well as useful. Only the floor and where the lights are mounted is in parallel. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 3, 2023 19:16:38 GMT -6
^^^ I have been there and Matt’s place is cool as fuck.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 1, 2023 0:41:27 GMT -6
 All the wall panels in the studio I’ve been helping out at have slats over rock wool |
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 1, 2023 1:02:20 GMT -6
Anybody know anything about or ever used manufactured wall panels that have a layer of felt-like material with a bunch of wall slats already glued to them? The ones I've looked at seem to have about an 11 mm (1/2") layer of some kind of felt-like material or duct-liner type material with slats glued to them at about a 3 to 1 slat to slot (absorption) ratio. Here's a few examples (links below): Acuslat
Wood Panel Wall
The Wood Veneer HubAnyway, are these useful for anything at all in a studio context, if just placed directly on a wall? What about if they instead were placed over a layer of Rockwool or possibly even over a thicker layer of insulation, say a foot of pink fluffy or something? Here's an example of how these look: I’ve made these with wider spacing over owens 703 and or over rock wool worked great ! You can cut cost finding some used even weatherd wood for some nice character. |
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Post by Ward on Mar 3, 2023 10:37:14 GMT -6
You guys aren't worried about fiberglass or rock fibers getting in the air you have to breathe? You can get an inexpensive fabric (two layers of black cotton/poly blend looks good too) to go over the top before you staple or pin the straps and avoid that.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 7, 2023 1:19:01 GMT -6
You guys aren't worried about fiberglass or rock fibers getting in the air you have to breathe? You can get an inexpensive fabric (two layers of black cotton/poly blend looks good too) to go over the top before you staple or pin the straps and avoid that. Yes. |
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Post by indiehouse on May 10, 2023 5:22:37 GMT -6
Don’t you want the fabric to be breathable for best acoustic absorption? Wondering if the backing to these panels would hinder that?
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