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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 4:01:03 GMT -6
Just set the lower limit as the other threads are discussing more expensive monitors.
Been out listening to monitors again, if I had the dough I would just buy dynaudio lyd48, but I’ve been listening to less expensive 2 way.
My fav have been the dyn lyd-7: clear, linear, smooth top air, tight not boomy bass.
One question, the new adam V series sounds very good too, not as sold on the bottom end, more boomy, but I think of dyn and adams with 7 inch woofers as direct competitors but there is more than a 50% price difference?
Here , retail , the new adam 7v is sub $ 800 for a pair, the dyn lyd7 are now $1800, both are plus tax.
What happened, are the Adams much cheaper parts: way different margins, are the dyn over 100% better ?
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 15, 2023 5:35:07 GMT -6
Whatever you do make your focus on the mid range performance.
It really is the area that makes the difference over and above the bass and tweeter performance (generally speaking)
For me it’s where 80% of the important musical information lays so when your demoing and considering your options in any price bracket, I’d personally focus my thinking on the quality of the mids.
Do dyn audio have a three way in this price bracket?
I like the dyn audio brand, perhaps their 2 ways have a very good mid range performance?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 5:54:11 GMT -6
Exactly!
No, the 48 are another 100% jump in price, so big increase for the mid driver/ more power and bass.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 15, 2023 9:13:22 GMT -6
Just set the lower limit as the other threads are discussing more expensive monitors. Been out listening to monitors again, if I had the dough I would just buy dynaudio lyd48, but I’ve been listening to less expensive 2 way. My fav have been the dyn lyd-7: clear, linear, smooth top air, tight not boomy bass. One question, the new adam V series sounds very good too, not as sold on the bottom end, more boomy, but I think of dyn and adams with 7 inch woofers as direct competitors but there is more than a 50% price difference? Here , retail , the new adam 7v is sub $ 800 for a pair, the dyn lyd7 are now $1800, both are plus tax. What happened, are the Adams much cheaper parts: way different margins, are the dyn over 100% better ? I've been wondering about the new Adams (and thinking about the dynaudio's too)...I have an old pair of original A7's. I wouldn't mind replacing them with something similar but better. Seems like theres not many real world reviews though. Did you get a chance to demo them yourself? BTW, where are you located? US prices show the Adams as more expensive, $1600/pair vs $1300/pair |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 10:12:26 GMT -6
yes, I did demo the new adams snd I used to have the 7x. I thought the new sounded better but the bass a littke boomy. I quickly started abing between mostly the adam and the dyn: preferring the dyn. I sold my 7x after a couple year’s as I started disliking the sort of not there edgy quality of the ribbon tweater, although likibg it at first. While abing the adam and the dyn, listening to a typical Bryan Adam rock song, there times where the ribbon struggled sounding rough and a little garbled, while the dyn sounded smooth ckear and more well behaved. To my ear, the dyn were more linear throughout and i felt i could hear more into the mix throughout the freq spectrum on the dyn, but they were still musical with presence, not analyrical. Bottom line, for me , was I thought I’d be happier,better served by the dyn: second bottom line is, would I rather wait, save up more and but the 48’s? As I mentioned on another thread having difficulty here setting up a demo of the 48’s. ideally, i’d like to demo the 7 and 48 simultaneously, see/hear whether the big price jump is worth it to me. Local store has some demo 7’s but , at a discount, but I still hear the 48s whispering sweet nothings !  So, just mulling this all over! |
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Post by svart on Jan 15, 2023 10:14:41 GMT -6
Ns10s, lol.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 10:18:48 GMT -6
Ps I was talking 7vs the 7x current model is same price as the dyn lyd7.
I’ll likely go back and listen again.
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Post by dok on Jan 15, 2023 11:22:14 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 12:31:13 GMT -6
But if you have subs, a 3 way makes a 4 way system ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 12:45:38 GMT -6
NHT Super Zero and One
JBL LSR 305 mk II
Kali LP 6 mk II
KRK Rokit 5 G4
Auratone 5C or Fostex 6301 with headphones
Yamaha HS line always hit a limiter so dynamics are highly inaccurate so just crush everything on the two bus.
Are all fine and you will be more limited by your skills and what recordings you receive than the monitors. The cheap monitors are too cheap to have effective limiters and are better off that way.
If you have 1k per monitor you can get
Neumann KH120. Woofer is highly limited so you won’t hear Jack dynamics. Crush everything.
KRK V6S4. Again the smaller ones are highly limited.
APS Klasik 2020 if you can find it.
Genelec 8040. The smaller ones are also highly limited. Genelec limits the tweeters in all their stuff pretty low too.
Dynaudio BM6a. Better than the Lyds.
ATC SCM 12. Better than the Dyns.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 13:54:56 GMT -6
Bottom two, strike my fancy or atc 20, mo money i know ! I found a guy claiming he has nos dyn bm6a and he’s offering his own 3 month warranty: find it hard to believe anybody has nos bm6 from 2009 ? |
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Post by dok on Jan 15, 2023 14:02:00 GMT -6
But if you have subs, a 3 way makes a 4 way system ? Put me firmly in the "subs no matter what" camp. 😎 |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 15, 2023 14:16:14 GMT -6
I'll second the NHT SuperOne/SuperZero. Excellent speakers for cheap. 85% of my mix is on those with just some low end checks on my Adam A7's (with sub). |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 14:25:00 GMT -6
Are those the nht with the seas drivers but the weird amp connections ?
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 15, 2023 14:27:11 GMT -6
I don't know about the drivers but the amp connections are just regular wire posts. I think the NHT A-20's had some weird amp connections, not sure. I'm running mine on a stock adcom 545 and they translate really well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 15:09:41 GMT -6
Are those the nht with the seas drivers but the weird amp connections ? No, they’re acidic Chinese drivers like the JBL 305 and Kalis but sealed and passive. Cheap and nasty makes you solve problems instead of lulling you the false belief that something is okay. The last thing you want to be as a mixer is a hi-fi infidel. Most of the more expensive monitors are glorified hi-fi speakers including most the ones I recommended. If sometime says their Genelec 8000 whatever ain’t scooped somewhere and says their rack of warm crap and their waves plugins are clean and “industry standard”, that’s when you reach for your revolver and get a new mixer. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 16:24:10 GMT -6
Tell us what you really think about how best to manage studio staff Performance reviews ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 16:28:10 GMT -6
I have had and demoed a number of very good monitors, when i go demo now, I sort of don’t listen to the monitor, now i listen for the things i know are problematic in my room.
If not, the voice of experience, at least, the ears.
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Post by noob on Jan 15, 2023 17:31:12 GMT -6
You might as well save up, under $1k is definitely NS10, fostex 6301, auratone territory. There's some nice vintage monitors like JBL control monitors you can sometimes find sub-$1k.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2023 18:02:32 GMT -6
I listed 1k$ , really just because of the low cost of the new adams, although I have recently also demoed the new rockits, mackie, a couple of yammis , gennies, etc.
I definitely preferred the dyn lyd 7.
There's a bunch of used stuff around here, but asking prices are typically too high and they are out of town, so travel or shipping costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 19:42:16 GMT -6
Are those the nht with the seas drivers but the weird amp connections ? Cheap and nasty makes you solve problems instead of lulling you the false belief that something is okay. I'm beginning to think you've never heard any high end monitors. They're usually utterly brutal and not in a good way, quite a few "pro" mixes sound like a big ol' beehind but instead of getting one part of the picture you get the entire thing whether you want it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:06:10 GMT -6
Been out listening to monitors again, if I had the dough I would just buy dynaudio lyd48, but I’ve been listening to less expensive 2 way. My fav have been the dyn lyd-7: clear, linear, smooth top air, tight not boomy bass. Here , retail , the new adam 7v is sub $ 800 for a pair, the dyn lyd7 are now $1800, both are plus tax. What happened, are the Adams much cheaper parts: way different margins, are the dyn over 100% better ? You know who are excellent but hardly anyone's heard of them? Fluid audio. Their original FX80 didn't do too bad against my LYD 48's, however there were a few issues mainly noise / hiss and sweetspot.. Apparently they've been updated to the FX8's which are a better design, not sure if they're still going but it might be something to look into.
Also, I've always been interested in the Tannoy Gold's as well, this thread has made me curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:14:56 GMT -6
Cheap and nasty makes you solve problems instead of lulling you the false belief that something is okay. I'm beginning to think you've never heard any high end monitors. They're usually utterly brutal and not in a good way, quite a few "pro" mixes sound like a big ol' beehind but instead of getting one part of the picture you get the entire thing whether you want it or not. They just play stuff back. Meanwhile you might have to have 10 cuts on a guitar with an Auratone or small nasty thing. The hifi monitors will just play it back as “fine” |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:22:32 GMT -6
A Fostex 6301 will make you gut things. Man can they sear
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:27:55 GMT -6
I'm beginning to think you've never heard any high end monitors. They're usually utterly brutal and not in a good way, quite a few "pro" mixes sound like a big ol' beehind but instead of getting one part of the picture you get the entire thing whether you want it or not. They just play stuff back. Meanwhile you might have to have 10 cuts on a guitar with an Auratone or small nasty thing. The hifi monitors will just play it back as “fine” Noo, they're generally mid / low end betterisers that are essentially hi-fi speakers with a pro audio sticker slapped on them. Plenty of sub $500.00 speakers with a better frequency range than my Core's that sound great in a kitchen. However on my monitors I can hear distortion that'll mess with a laptop or phone, LMF mud that will make a desktop 2.1 sound bloated and when treble stings it really stings, don't even get me starting on bass translation. If you think for a second that the Core's, PSI's or ATC's are "nice" monitors that just "play it back as fine" then I really do not know what to say. It's never for a second been my impression, bad mixes sound like utter trash on them..
Even good mixes sound a bit meh, you really have to go all out.. Or just say it's done.
There's a ton of crap I'd miss on an auratone.. You're essentially dealing with a cut frequency mono amalgamation, it's fine for a phase test but mastering on them? No way.. A stereo pair? What?
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