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Post by RealNoob on Jan 15, 2023 20:40:12 GMT -6
Scepter 6's are impressive in that range. Even Pensado enjoyed them for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 1:58:06 GMT -6
They just play stuff back. Meanwhile you might have to have 10 cuts on a guitar with an Auratone or small nasty thing. The hifi monitors will just play it back as “fine” Noo, they're generally mid / low end betterisers that are essentially hi-fi speakers with a pro audio sticker slapped on them. Plenty of sub $500.00 speakers with a better frequency range than my Core's that sound great in a kitchen. However on my monitors I can hear distortion that'll mess with a laptop or phone, LMF mud that will make a desktop 2.1 sound bloated and when treble stings it really stings, don't even get me starting on bass translation. If you think for a second that the Core's, PSI's or ATC's are "nice" monitors that just "play it back as fine" then I really do not know what to say. It's never for a second been my impression, bad mixes sound like utter trash on them..
Even good mixes sound a bit meh, you really have to go all out.. Or just say it's done.
There's a ton of crap I'd miss on an auratone.. You're essentially dealing with a cut frequency mono amalgamation, it's fine for a phase test but mastering on them? No way.. A stereo pair? What?
on nastier monitors you are FORCED to fix midrange and low mid issues because what your mix will be played back on will be nastier than that. there is no half assing it either, you might have to turn the knob all the way. there is nothing seductive about that small fostex broadcast monitor; you must clean it up and they don't like mud and sear. the cube monitors really EXAGGERATE in all caps weirdo midrange issues that will come up in your mix that won't be big deal on almost any nicer pair of monitors but your mixes will be played back on things far worse than those like a phone in a case |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 16, 2023 2:31:39 GMT -6
They just play stuff back. Meanwhile you might have to have 10 cuts on a guitar with an Auratone or small nasty thing. The hifi monitors will just play it back as “fine” Noo, they're generally mid / low end betterisers that are essentially hi-fi speakers with a pro audio sticker slapped on them. Plenty of sub $500.00 speakers with a better frequency range than my Core's that sound great in a kitchen. However on my monitors I can hear distortion that'll mess with a laptop or phone, LMF mud that will make a desktop 2.1 sound bloated and when treble stings it really stings, don't even get me starting on bass translation. If you think for a second that the Core's, PSI's or ATC's are "nice" monitors that just "play it back as fine" then I really do not know what to say. It's never for a second been my impression, bad mixes sound like utter trash on them..
Even good mixes sound a bit meh, you really have to go all out.. Or just say it's done.
There's a ton of crap I'd miss on an auratone.. You're essentially dealing with a cut frequency mono amalgamation, it's fine for a phase test but mastering on them? No way.. A stereo pair? What?
+1 that's my exact experience too. My ATC 25's are frikkin' brutal - they let nothing pass. Every tiny distortion, clashing bass note, incorrect level, poor tone .... it's all revealed in brutal honesty. - no doubt the same with your 59's. I find my 1970's Auratones and 80's Sony portable Speakers very useful but like you say they miss heaps of important information. Grot boxes have there place but not as main monitors! And what about tracking - you have to have a very accurate monitor for tracking/arranging otherwise how do you know what you're tracking! |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 16, 2023 2:35:43 GMT -6
Noo, they're generally mid / low end betterisers that are essentially hi-fi speakers with a pro audio sticker slapped on them. Plenty of sub $500.00 speakers with a better frequency range than my Core's that sound great in a kitchen. However on my monitors I can hear distortion that'll mess with a laptop or phone, LMF mud that will make a desktop 2.1 sound bloated and when treble stings it really stings, don't even get me starting on bass translation. If you think for a second that the Core's, PSI's or ATC's are "nice" monitors that just "play it back as fine" then I really do not know what to say. It's never for a second been my impression, bad mixes sound like utter trash on them..
Even good mixes sound a bit meh, you really have to go all out.. Or just say it's done.
There's a ton of crap I'd miss on an auratone.. You're essentially dealing with a cut frequency mono amalgamation, it's fine for a phase test but mastering on them? No way.. A stereo pair? What?
on nastier monitors you are FORCED to fix midrange and low mid issues because what your mix will be played back on will be nastier than that. there is no half assing it either, you might have to turn the knob all the way. there is nothing seductive about that small fostex broadcast monitor; you must clean it up and they don't like mud and sear. the cube monitors really EXAGGERATE in all caps weirdo midrange issues that will come up in your mix that won't be big deal on almost any nicer pair of monitors but your mixes will be played back on things far worse than those like a phone in a case Yikes Dan, how do you know what to fix?! You're fixing the audio to sound correct/good/appealing on that given driver which means you're compensating for the "nasty" quirks of that particular driver (as you put it) That sounds like one heck of a moving goal post to me. I respect your approach, but I'll have to leave you to it on this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 2:42:43 GMT -6
on nastier monitors you are FORCED to fix midrange and low mid issues because what your mix will be played back on will be nastier than that. there is no half assing it either, you might have to turn the knob all the way. there is nothing seductive about that small fostex broadcast monitor; you must clean it up and they don't like mud and sear. the cube monitors really EXAGGERATE in all caps weirdo midrange issues that will come up in your mix that won't be big deal on almost any nicer pair of monitors but your mixes will be played back on things far worse than those like a phone in a case Yikes Dan, how do you know what to fix?! You're fixing the audio to sound correct/good/appealing on that given driver which means you're compensating for the "nasty" quirks of that particular driver (as you put it) That sounds like one heck of a moving goal post to me. I respect your approach, but I'll have to leave you to it on this one. These issues will often be present but “not a big deal” on the nicer ones vs the nasty ones putting a gun to your head. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 10:22:13 GMT -6
on nastier monitors you are FORCED to fix midrange and low mid issues because what your mix will be played back on will be nastier than that. there is no half assing it either, you might have to turn the knob all the way. there is nothing seductive about that small fostex broadcast monitor; you must clean it up and they don't like mud and sear. the cube monitors really EXAGGERATE in all caps weirdo midrange issues that will come up in your mix that won't be big deal on almost any nicer pair of monitors but your mixes will be played back on things far worse than those like a phone in a case You are? I find cheap monitors to be overly distorted in the mids (if not wonky frequency wise) within an overlapping wash of mud around the LMF frequencies, sub bass is usually unintelligble even if they can go down that low, it's like playing darts with audio. Don't even get me started on phantom center or surround, simply put they don't have one (unless they're coax, even then it's hit or miss).. Also if you've got overlapping frequencies that null out or excite room modes then what you hear from your monitors is mostly irrelevant.
The reason why nearfields work better in piss poor rooms is you cut some of that out especially at lower volumes, I've had plenty of experience with NS10's and mains in bad rooms. The mains might as well have never been there, although even with the NS10's I had to use headphones because they only tell a small part of the story. I, a very long time ago used to think the exact same as you but that was due to limited exposure to high end monitors in good rooms. Some of them do take whatever you throw at them, however today it's become less prominent.
There's nothing "seductive" about the Core 59's or ATC's either, my playlist has about 250 songs (from all era's and genre's) in it and only about 20 of those are "indie" productions. The amount of songs that sound ethereal, bigger than life and mind blowing are only a handful (10, 20 maybe?), the rest are just a slurry of problems. The final deciding factor in regards to the Core's is I heard a bass and LMF buzz that nothing but an Iphone and my macbook picked up, also there were too much bass on another production that only my car picked up and it was eating headroom. I was struggling to get this song loud enough, I know why now.
If you've ever heard the big 3-way ATC's, PSI's or Core's in a decent room you'd know that the problem with them isn't translation to any medium or the bass, mids and treble's. The problem with these type's of monitors is they give you too much, half of it isn't necessary and you can dig down deep in the minutia of solving one problem after the other which nobody will ever really care about besides those with ATC's etc. it's a skill to filter that crap out and decide what's actually worthy of your attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 18:11:04 GMT -6
Bottom line, for me , was I thought I’d be happier,better served by the dyn: second bottom line is, would I rather wait, save up more and but the 48’s? So, just mulling this all over! If you can save up do so IMO, the LYD 7's are okay and so are the Adam's but they're not a decent 3-way design. Check out the "New Dynaudio LYD 48" thread on the purple site, I know someone there who dumped their PSI 2-ways for them and their ASP console is pretty cool as well. I took my LYD's to a friends house a few years back, they've got a pair of ATC SCM 25's and yeah there's a notable difference but he did give them a seal of approval which is a win in my book.
What I like about Dynaudio's is they do have a price / performance ratio thing going on.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2023 18:39:14 GMT -6
I agree, its just the cost issue now that I am retired!  |
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