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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 11, 2023 19:12:21 GMT -6
Last night in the studio I got to play with a prototype tube preamp my friend built… Just what the world needs, another preamp. That’s OK, it’s just for us, unless more people happen to want one for some reason. My friend has owned a repair shop for 35-years and designed hi-fi tube amps in the past. He also loves transformer mojo.
Tried it on piano (C7) and acoustic guitar (Taylor). Just used a U87Ai in cardioid to have a standard.
Compared it to the Shelford preamp and it definitely is more spacious. I’d like to compare it to the Manley Core on those sources next. Probably won’t be until a couple weeks though. I’ll try it on drums next time too.
Anyhow, all this cool stuff, but in the back of my mind, I still wish I had a Coil 286 or WT-72 around here to compare with this prototype.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:20:06 GMT -6
Yeah sure it is, if you can tell that much difference the quality of crack you're on must be pretty good.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 11, 2023 19:49:49 GMT -6
Now, now, you weren’t there and didn’t hear what he heard. Pour yourself a good stiff drink and settle down !
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Post by plinker on Jan 11, 2023 20:43:25 GMT -6
I wanna hear more about the crack...
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 12, 2023 0:11:34 GMT -6
The question is… What’s cheaper? The crack habit or the gear habit? Unfortunately, I might suggest the crack habit!
There definitely was not some massive WOW difference, but space-filling difference on some level was definitely happening. Also, the bass note hits on the piano were definitely more real-to-life-like; bigger.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2023 2:50:30 GMT -6
I wanna hear more about the crack... That’s where the light comes in !
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Post by hadaja on Jan 12, 2023 4:50:05 GMT -6
i would love to see some pictures. And also whats under the hood. This stuff always intrigues me. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 6:56:40 GMT -6
The question is… What’s cheaper? The crack habit or the gear habit? Unfortunately, I might suggest the crack habit! There definitely was not some massive WOW difference, but space-filling difference on some level was definitely happening. Also, the bass note hits on the piano were definitely more real-to-life-like; bigger. Nice, can't deny it you seem to be super cool and I'm not being facetious I promise. Way to take it on the head, flip it round and bounce back.. Major respect.
Seems that I need to try this mic preamp out now.. Who made it? Any clips?
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 13, 2023 0:40:00 GMT -6
I didn’t even pull out my phone to take a picture the entire time. I’ll have to ask about taking a few pics of the inside to post on here when he brings it back over in a couple weeks; he took it with him to do a couple tweaks. He plans to come every other Tuesday night for us to play with it, until we’re confident we’re completely happy with it, so obviously we’re in no rush at all.
The plan is for stereo and supply in the same box, but right now it’s mono in a 2-rack space and a supply built into an old receiver case. Faceplate layout ergonomics and artsy designs still have to be done as well. We’re slow.
So far, a common-mode choke (if I remember correctly), small custom input transformer (don’t remember the ratio, but not 1:1, so that’s a gain-stage), adjustable pad after the transformer, tube gain-stage, pad-able (and adjustable) tube output gain-stage, (2) unity-gain tubes for impedance-matching to be able to use a 1:1 output transformer. In this case, a Jensen. At some point, I’d like to see if he can make an H-Pad work at the output too, as to not change the tone and still have reasonable levels for whatever comes after the preamp; converter or otherwise. We’ll see there. Anyhow, overall, that’s 104dB of gain! Want clean hi-fi? It’ll do that. Want a fuzz bass? It’ll do that! DI goes to the first tube gain-stage; it’s input is switchable between 100k and 1 Meg.
There’s an extremely wide-range of input impedance options... 50-30k and a lot between. Sometimes there’s quite a difference in tone, sometimes not really at all. This is done both through input transformer windings and with resistors.
There’s standard P48, P48H, and his own take on phantom. I still need to get more details on that.
John McCormack, owner of Rainbow Electronics in Sacramento, designed and built it. It started many years ago when he designed a swiss-army MicroAmp for guitar; just selling out of his repair shop. I encouraged him to clean it up to use as a mic preamp with a cheap 1/4”-XLR transformer. For a while he even advertised it in TapeOp in exchange for some repair services. From there, the idea of a mic preamp, designed from the beginning as a mic preamp started to form. He slowly designed and built it over a year. We played with for a few times over a year, then the whole thing went into hibernation for 10-years. This current version is a big redesign of the original, inspired by the fact that the custom output transformer manufacturer retired.
I did record what we did, but we were all other the place. I’ll have to make much much more organized recordings to share.
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 13, 2023 3:08:12 GMT -6
Reading all that back… It’s funny, I really did start this thread to mention I really do wish we had a Coil 286 or WT-72 to compare with!
We have 18 different designs of preamps at the studio I work out of and I still wish we would have something else to compare them to! Oh the irony!
What preamp would you compare this one to?
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Post by chessparov on Jan 13, 2023 9:22:46 GMT -6
Don't forget the Great River, and its infamous Evil Fraternal Twin...
The mighty ART Tube MP PRO! Chris
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 13, 2023 10:30:48 GMT -6
Don’t have the Great River, but the Tube MP Pro is luckily covered upstairs in “Studio B” and not part of the 18 I previously mentioned.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 13, 2023 13:30:23 GMT -6
Why post about a preamp we can't see or hear unless you can post some tracks comparing. It's no fun this way.
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Post by drbill on Jan 13, 2023 16:52:20 GMT -6
Why post about a preamp we can't see or hear unless you can post some tracks comparing. It's no fun this way. Ditto. I need another mic pre like I need a hole in the head. Doesn't mean I won't buy one someday though......
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Post by chessparov on Jan 13, 2023 17:53:35 GMT -6
Why post about a preamp we can't see or hear unless you can post some tracks comparing. It's no fun this way. I already have a staunch opinion on this Pre. Even though I haven't seen or heard it! Oops. Sorry guys. Wrong website. Chris
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 13, 2023 19:34:11 GMT -6
Hahaha y’all! It really was not the point of my post and I also need more preamps like a hole in my head, but this is pleasantly becoming its own thing. Telling my friend, he’ll be absolutely amazed anyone outside him, me, and the studio owner actually cares… Maybe it’ll inspire us to finally get our act together!
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 14, 2023 3:29:04 GMT -6
All the pre amps at my place get compared to my Coil CA-70s ….
The Coil is the “the leader of the pack” (revving motor bike noise)
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