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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 13:23:05 GMT -6
For me I do this once a year and clean out stuff I don't use anymore or that got jacked to a higher rate without me noticing (I'm looking at you WSJ.com) or that I planned to use for one month and forgot to cancel.
Why am I posting this here?
Because I bet some of you all are like me and forget about this stuff. I just did my annual clean-out and put a monthly amount back in my pocket that is too embarrassing to share! Granted, a big chunk of that was a gym membership that a certain adult woman who lives with me wasn't using but there was a lot more that was on me.
Anyway, maybe instead of that second hand LYD 48 I was looking at I'll just spring for no interest payments on the much more expensive Neumann KH 310.
After all, what's the point of saving money if you don't spend it right away!
(And you thought this post was about financial prudence? Gotcha!!!)
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 14:25:17 GMT -6
For me I do this once a year and clean out stuff I don't use anymore or that got jacked to a higher rate without me noticing (I'm looking at you WSJ.com) or that I planned to use for one month and forgot to cancel. Why am I posting this here? Because I bet some of you all are like me and forget about this stuff. I just did my annual clean-out and put a monthly amount back in my pocket that is too embarrassing to share! Granted, a big chunk of that was a gym membership that a certain adult woman who lives with me wasn't using but there was a lot more that was on me. Anyway, maybe instead of that second hand LYD 48 I was looking at I'll just spring for no interest payments on the much more expensive Neumann KH 310. After all, what's the point of saving money if you don't spend it right away! (And you thought this post was about financial prudence? Gotcha!!!) You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:31:27 GMT -6
For me I do this once a year and clean out stuff I don't use anymore or that got jacked to a higher rate without me noticing (I'm looking at you WSJ.com) or that I planned to use for one month and forgot to cancel. Why am I posting this here? Because I bet some of you all are like me and forget about this stuff. I just did my annual clean-out and put a monthly amount back in my pocket that is too embarrassing to share! Granted, a big chunk of that was a gym membership that a certain adult woman who lives with me wasn't using but there was a lot more that was on me. Anyway, maybe instead of that second hand LYD 48 I was looking at I'll just spring for no interest payments on the much more expensive Neumann KH 310. After all, what's the point of saving money if you don't spend it right away! (And you thought this post was about financial prudence? Gotcha!!!) You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. You know you want that TLM 170 |
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 14:34:41 GMT -6
You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. You know you want that TLM 170 Ha. I'm actually not even looking at Neumann mics. AEA and Beyer are what I'm looking at. They also have 48 months right now, and AEA are even on sale. I'm looking to pick up some ribbons. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 14:36:41 GMT -6
For me I do this once a year and clean out stuff I don't use anymore or that got jacked to a higher rate without me noticing (I'm looking at you WSJ.com) or that I planned to use for one month and forgot to cancel. Why am I posting this here? Because I bet some of you all are like me and forget about this stuff. I just did my annual clean-out and put a monthly amount back in my pocket that is too embarrassing to share! Granted, a big chunk of that was a gym membership that a certain adult woman who lives with me wasn't using but there was a lot more that was on me. Anyway, maybe instead of that second hand LYD 48 I was looking at I'll just spring for no interest payments on the much more expensive Neumann KH 310. After all, what's the point of saving money if you don't spend it right away! (And you thought this post was about financial prudence? Gotcha!!!) You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. I did. And $110/month for a pair of KH 310's is extremely tempting at zero interest. And let's be real, if inflation continues like it is now 0% interest over 4 years is like a discount. Seriously. So I'd be trading YouTubeTV (massively overpriced and I only use it to watch NFL games) and a Wall Street Journal subscription (only depresses me and it's mainly a prop to make me feel like a grown-up with my morning coffee) for a set of badass monitors I will use and enjoy for 20 hours a week on a slow week. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -6
You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. I did. And $110/month for a pair of KH 310's is extremely tempting at zero interest. And let's be real, if inflation continues like it is now 0% interest over 4 years is like a discount. Seriously. So I'd be trading YouTubeTV (massively overpriced and I only use it to watch NFL games) and a Wall Street Journal subscription (only depresses me and it's mainly a prop to make me feel like a grown-up with my morning coffee) for a set of badass monitors I will use and enjoy for 20 hours a week on a slow week. Yeah, the 48 months thing has facilitated a lot of purchases I've made over the years. Push come to shove, it'll only cost you the cost of return shipping to VK if you don't like them, and then you'll know. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 15:13:05 GMT -6
I did. And $110/month for a pair of KH 310's is extremely tempting at zero interest. And let's be real, if inflation continues like it is now 0% interest over 4 years is like a discount. Seriously. So I'd be trading YouTubeTV (massively overpriced and I only use it to watch NFL games) and a Wall Street Journal subscription (only depresses me and it's mainly a prop to make me feel like a grown-up with my morning coffee) for a set of badass monitors I will use and enjoy for 20 hours a week on a slow week. Yeah, the 48 months thing has facilitated a lot of purchases I've made over the years. Push come to shove, it'll only cost you the cost of return shipping to VK if you don't like them, and then you'll know. Which itself is about the same as renting a Dyn LYD 48 for a weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 15:15:13 GMT -6
You've probably already seen this, but VK has all Neumann stuff at 48 months right now. Last day though. I'm actually looking at some mics at VK right now, as we speak, since it's the last day. The 48 month is hard to resist sometimes. I did. And $110/month for a pair of KH 310's is extremely tempting at zero interest. And let's be real, if inflation continues like it is now 0% interest over 4 years is like a discount. Seriously. So I'd be trading YouTubeTV (massively overpriced and I only use it to watch NFL games) and a Wall Street Journal subscription (only depresses me and it's mainly a prop to make me feel like a grown-up with my morning coffee) for a set of badass monitors I will use and enjoy for 20 hours a week on a slow week. Layaway is not worth it for low headroom speakers you and your tech cannot fix yourself. You’re paying it off in 3 years while the Neumann warranty is only two years. Sennheiser does not fix older models of Klein und Hummel speakers out of warranty. They even have changed factories from Germany to Ireland to Romania so they might not have any employees left who will know how to fix the older models who weren’t the design team! Will you blow the not great KH310 drivers before then and have to buy something else while Sennheiser fixes them or doesn’t fix them at all after two years? Sennheiser lies out their ass about the bass headroom of the KH120 and KH310. Crank them and the woofer just disappears on a kick, bass, or guitars. How can you mix without hearing it? What if you blow that rubber condom of a woofer? The DSP coax Genelecs like the 8351 do the same disappearing bass thing but Genelec is better about repairs and long term support. They do not make disposable products even if the guts of your product are changed out for the current ones, you still have something usable but you’re paying more upfront. Barefoots don’t have this bass problem and the Footprints iirc don’t have the scoop of the Genelec 8050. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 15:44:30 GMT -6
I did. And $110/month for a pair of KH 310's is extremely tempting at zero interest. And let's be real, if inflation continues like it is now 0% interest over 4 years is like a discount. Seriously. So I'd be trading YouTubeTV (massively overpriced and I only use it to watch NFL games) and a Wall Street Journal subscription (only depresses me and it's mainly a prop to make me feel like a grown-up with my morning coffee) for a set of badass monitors I will use and enjoy for 20 hours a week on a slow week. Layaway is not worth it for low headroom speakers you and your tech cannot fix yourself. You’re paying it off in 3 years while the Neumann warranty is only two years. Sennheiser does not fix older models of Klein und Hummel speakers out of warranty. They even have changed factories from Germany to Ireland to Romania so they might not have any employees left who will know how to fix the older models who weren’t the design team! Will you blow the not great KH310 drivers before then and have to buy something else while Sennheiser fixes them or doesn’t fix them at all after two years? Sennheiser lies out their ass about the bass headroom of the KH120 and KH310. Crank them and the woofer just disappears on a kick, bass, or guitars. How can you mix without hearing it? What if you blow that rubber condom of a woofer? The DSP coax Genelecs like the 8351 do the same disappearing bass thing but Genelec is better about repairs and long term support. They do not make disposable products even if the guts of your product are changed out for the current ones, you still have something usable but you’re paying more upfront. Barefoots don’t have this bass problem and the Footprints iirc don’t have the scoop of the Genelec 8050. I'm not taking the piss out of you, but what monitors DO you like? I'm asking because I read a lot of your posts where you lodge complaints against various monitors, to the point that I'm not sure what is left besides monitors costing $10,000. It's not that I don't think you have some valid criticisms but, price point being a thing, something's gotta give for a given price. The KH310s cost about $5k for a new pair. In that price range, what monitors exist that you believe are objectively better and meet your criteria? I'm honestly curious. To me, the KH310s check a lot of boxes, at least the boxes that I can afford. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 15:54:39 GMT -6
Layaway is not worth it for low headroom speakers you and your tech cannot fix yourself. You’re paying it off in 3 years while the Neumann warranty is only two years. Sennheiser does not fix older models of Klein und Hummel speakers out of warranty. They even have changed factories from Germany to Ireland to Romania so they might not have any employees left who will know how to fix the older models who weren’t the design team! Will you blow the not great KH310 drivers before then and have to buy something else while Sennheiser fixes them or doesn’t fix them at all after two years? Sennheiser lies out their ass about the bass headroom of the KH120 and KH310. Crank them and the woofer just disappears on a kick, bass, or guitars. How can you mix without hearing it? What if you blow that rubber condom of a woofer? The DSP coax Genelecs like the 8351 do the same disappearing bass thing but Genelec is better about repairs and long term support. They do not make disposable products even if the guts of your product are changed out for the current ones, you still have something usable but you’re paying more upfront. Barefoots don’t have this bass problem and the Footprints iirc don’t have the scoop of the Genelec 8050. I'm not taking the piss out of you, but what monitors DO you like? I'm asking because I read a lot of your posts where you lodge complaints against various monitors, to the point that I'm not sure what is left besides monitors costing $10,000. It's not that I don't think you have some valid criticisms but, price point being a thing, something's gotta give for a given price. The KH310s cost about $5k for a new pair. In that price range, what monitors exist that you believe are objectively better and meet your criteria? I'm honestly curious. To me, the KH310s check a lot of boxes, at least the boxes that I can afford. For context, I'm mixing indie rock/singer songwriter type stuff in a moderately treated 15x11 room. For contemporary bands think like Blake Mills, Hiss Golden Messenger, or Spoon. The heaviest it gets over here in my world is in the vein of like Jack White or something. So we're not exactly pushing bass levels. Clarity on bass is more important than volume in my case which is why I'm drawn to the 310's. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 16:08:28 GMT -6
Layaway is not worth it for low headroom speakers you and your tech cannot fix yourself. You’re paying it off in 3 years while the Neumann warranty is only two years. Sennheiser does not fix older models of Klein und Hummel speakers out of warranty. They even have changed factories from Germany to Ireland to Romania so they might not have any employees left who will know how to fix the older models who weren’t the design team! Will you blow the not great KH310 drivers before then and have to buy something else while Sennheiser fixes them or doesn’t fix them at all after two years? Sennheiser lies out their ass about the bass headroom of the KH120 and KH310. Crank them and the woofer just disappears on a kick, bass, or guitars. How can you mix without hearing it? What if you blow that rubber condom of a woofer? The DSP coax Genelecs like the 8351 do the same disappearing bass thing but Genelec is better about repairs and long term support. They do not make disposable products even if the guts of your product are changed out for the current ones, you still have something usable but you’re paying more upfront. Barefoots don’t have this bass problem and the Footprints iirc don’t have the scoop of the Genelec 8050. I'm not taking the piss out of you, but what monitors DO you like? I'm asking because I read a lot of your posts where you lodge complaints against various monitors, to the point that I'm not sure what is left besides monitors costing $10,000. It's not that I don't think you have some valid criticisms but, price point being a thing, something's gotta give for a given price. The KH310s cost about $5k for a new pair. In that price range, what monitors exist that you believe are objectively better and meet your criteria? I'm honestly curious. To me, the KH310s check a lot of boxes, at least the boxes that I can afford. I think the JBLs not the 306 and 308, maybe about half the Dynaudios I’ve heard, ATCs, the smaller KRKs, Auratone, Fostex, and the not scooped Genelecs are very good monitors you can buy easily in the USA. It doesn’t matter that much if they present the info you need to get the result you want without hating the sound. There’s just no way in hell I’m buying anything on layaway with a warranty shorter than the payment schedule. Dan |
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2022 16:23:49 GMT -6
I'm not taking the piss out of you, but what monitors DO you like? I'm asking because I read a lot of your posts where you lodge complaints against various monitors, to the point that I'm not sure what is left besides monitors costing $10,000. It's not that I don't think you have some valid criticisms but, price point being a thing, something's gotta give for a given price. The KH310s cost about $5k for a new pair. In that price range, what monitors exist that you believe are objectively better and meet your criteria? I'm honestly curious. To me, the KH310s check a lot of boxes, at least the boxes that I can afford. I think the JBLs not the 306 and 308, maybe about half the Dynaudios I’ve heard, ATCs, the smaller KRKs, Auratone, Fostex, and the not scooped Genelecs are very good monitors you can buy easily in the USA. It doesn’t matter that much if they present the info you need to get the result you want without hating the sound. There’s just no way in hell I’m buying anything on layaway with a warranty shorter than the payment schedule. Dan Fair enough on the deferred interest thing. I get it. I was against the idea for a long time, but then I came around to it and honestly have been glad to have it. It's allowed me to buy some stuff that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to make happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 16:34:11 GMT -6
I'm not taking the piss out of you, but what monitors DO you like? I'm asking because I read a lot of your posts where you lodge complaints against various monitors, to the point that I'm not sure what is left besides monitors costing $10,000. It's not that I don't think you have some valid criticisms but, price point being a thing, something's gotta give for a given price. The KH310s cost about $5k for a new pair. In that price range, what monitors exist that you believe are objectively better and meet your criteria? I'm honestly curious. To me, the KH310s check a lot of boxes, at least the boxes that I can afford. For context, I'm mixing indie rock/singer songwriter type stuff in a moderately treated 15x11 room. For contemporary bands think like Blake Mills, Hiss Golden Messenger, or Spoon. The heaviest it gets over here in my world is in the vein of like Jack White or something. So we're not exactly pushing bass levels. Clarity on bass is more important than volume in my case which is why I'm drawn to the 310's. It doesn’t matter what genre you do. I mostly do stuff that doesn’t really have any sub. The low mids of the Neumann KH monitors disappear with the upper bass when cranked. No real clarity in the key 100-300hz mud region because the woofers can’t play it back cleanly so Sennheiser’s engineers prevent it from playing back at all with a complex limiting arrangement. Same with the cheaper Yamaha HS monitors and same price coax Genelecs. What I do mostly has double kicks or heel to toe single kick. The only difference is the gross kick mud is on more of the raw recording time wise than in a strictly four or two beat arrangement. The Sennheiser and Genelec bean counters don’t want to admit that they’re pushing these drivers hard and their mostly corporate broadcast and prosumer customers don’t want to hear it that the woofers in such crossovers are distorted and inaccurate because of the big bass boost and if they made the response more accurate by less aggressive limiting, they would have to treat the woofers as consumables and swap them out every few months to a year. Sennheiser’s customers don’t want to be told you get what you pay for and they should spend double to get another complex crossover speaker from another manufacturer with more headroom? Genelec will sell you stuff that costs as much as a car just like ATC. Or to just buy a normal speaker you can afford to replace that puts the budget into better drivers. Genelec also sells the 8000 line to get you the Genelec sound in a normal speaker. How could Sennheiser tell their customers they could improve on what’s marketed as perfect or a speaker that might be a +/- 2 db line in an 80db sweep might sound, i.e. be because your perception is your reality, flatter when playing back a dynamic constantly changing music signal than a small, limited +/- .5 db on the same test speaker? |
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Post by Quint on Jan 1, 2023 13:41:56 GMT -6
For context, I'm mixing indie rock/singer songwriter type stuff in a moderately treated 15x11 room. For contemporary bands think like Blake Mills, Hiss Golden Messenger, or Spoon. The heaviest it gets over here in my world is in the vein of like Jack White or something. So we're not exactly pushing bass levels. Clarity on bass is more important than volume in my case which is why I'm drawn to the 310's. It doesn’t matter what genre you do. I mostly do stuff that doesn’t really have any sub. The low mids of the Neumann KH monitors disappear with the upper bass when cranked. No real clarity in the key 100-300hz mud region because the woofers can’t play it back cleanly so Sennheiser’s engineers prevent it from playing back at all with a complex limiting arrangement. Same with the cheaper Yamaha HS monitors and same price coax Genelecs. What I do mostly has double kicks or heel to toe single kick. The only difference is the gross kick mud is on more of the raw recording time wise than in a strictly four or two beat arrangement. The Sennheiser and Genelec bean counters don’t want to admit that they’re pushing these drivers hard and their mostly corporate broadcast and prosumer customers don’t want to hear it that the woofers in such crossovers are distorted and inaccurate because of the big bass boost and if they made the response more accurate by less aggressive limiting, they would have to treat the woofers as consumables and swap them out every few months to a year. Sennheiser’s customers don’t want to be told you get what you pay for and they should spend double to get another complex crossover speaker from another manufacturer with more headroom? Genelec will sell you stuff that costs as much as a car just like ATC. Or to just buy a normal speaker you can afford to replace that puts the budget into better drivers. Genelec also sells the 8000 line to get you the Genelec sound in a normal speaker. How could Sennheiser tell their customers they could improve on what’s marketed as perfect or a speaker that might be a +/- 2 db line in an 80db sweep might sound, i.e. be because your perception is your reality, flatter when playing back a dynamic constantly changing music signal than a small, limited +/- .5 db on the same test speaker? It's possible that I don't monitor as loud as you do, but I haven't had issues with this (as an example, I've never once seen the red warning light on my 310s). I mean, I can get the 310s to kind of distort and/or maybe appear to lose some relative volume in the low end once they get up above a certain overall volume level, but those aren't levels I would normally listen at. For their intended purpose as a nearfield, I've been fine with them. If I need something super loud, I'll just crank my JBL 4410s. I myself haven't ever used the ATCs, but I've seen similar complaints about those. However, I've also seen it retorted that, in fact, you're not hearing a loss in bass volume but, instead, simply not hearing the increase in distortion that so many monitors present in the low end, up above a certain volume. In other words, it could just be a perception thing. If you're accustomed to hearing distortion in the low end, a lack of distortion in the low end may incorrectly be perceived as less volume. I haven't been able to try this myself, but I can see where that argument is coming from. Anyway, to each their own. You have, however, piqued my interest to find out more about any issues with Sennheiser service. I haven't heard about any such problems before, but I'd like to read more about it, to the extent that it may or may not exist. |
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Post by sean on Jan 1, 2023 15:15:18 GMT -6
I took advantage of 6 months same as cash, 15% off, no sales tax for a Chandler REDD microphone today. Like most things I imagine the price is going to go up in 2023 and that was cheaper than used ones regularly sell for on Reverb. I paid off both of our cars last year and new health insurance (the every couple year shuffle) wasn't as big a price increase as I expected so monthly expenses are pretty low and it made since for a project I have coming up next week.
Wanted to do the same for an Upton 251 but they've been on order for almost a year because I guess Dallas is waiting on parts *yikes*
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 2, 2023 12:54:47 GMT -6
Did you use some sort of service for this? I know there are sites that offer to go through your accounts, check for recurring pmts and negotiate better deals.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 2, 2023 13:02:08 GMT -6
Did you use some sort of service for this? I know there are sites that offer to go through your accounts, check for recurring pmts and negotiate better deals. I try to use PayPal as much as possible for recurring accounts because it's so easy to go in and turn off recurring payments. So that's mostly what I did. Beyond that I just kind of scan my credit card payments for stuff (like gym memberships) that I don't do with PayPal. But yeah, PayPal all the way for automated payments of any type. |
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