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Post by sceneofdarhyme on Jun 16, 2014 16:25:03 GMT -6
Has anyone had great results with a Fatso on the bus? I have UBK modded one but the saturation and tranny section are unchanged from the original. I find the Fatso makes everything sound smaller. Anyone else use it with success? I have the original Fatso and can echo that. This is why i use it mostly for parallel drum duties. I am not 100% sure, but i think its the compression which narrows stuff. But here is a cool trick, which works on the original as well as the UBK - posted by Gregory himself on the site I shall not name: "Also, if you really want to get every possible ounce of juice out of the unit, do yourself a massive favor and stick a gain control in the sidechain. Turn it all the way down to turn the compressor off, then dial up your input so that you get some healthy saturation and thickening, let the Comfy light blink a lot with an occasional blip of Roast. Then creep the level of the sidechain back up until you get the desired amount of squeeze. Taking the time to do that will make you about 200% happier with the results, as you'll have maximized the saturation on its own terms rather than simply letting the compression dictate what you get on that front. If you've got a cheap graphic eq laying around, even better. Stick that in the sidechain and pull out 6dB of everything below 300, and put a 3dB bump at 2.5k if doing vocals, or 6k if doing acoustic guitar, or 10k if doing drums. It'll change your life. Gregory Scott - ubk" I bought the cheapest Behringer EQ i could get and this really works like a charm. Heck, when going nuts with the low frequencies on the EQ you can turn your Fatso even into a friggin pumping Daft Punk Alesis comp with trannies and saturarion ;-) |
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Post by warren on Jun 16, 2014 16:48:41 GMT -6
Or can't you just get a $40 Alesis comp going into a pre with tranny to achieve similar results for a lot cheaper?  |
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Post by Ward on Jun 16, 2014 19:39:02 GMT -6
The idea of the Alesis 3630 being used as a go-to comp by some 'artists' these days is just all kinds of truckloads of ridiculous hilarity!
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Post by warren on Jun 16, 2014 19:57:35 GMT -6
Wouldn't be surprised to see them start increasing in price on the used market now too But whatever, if they like it, they like it. I've personally never used one as I have no curiosity towards it, but who knows one day |
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Post by henge on Jun 17, 2014 6:16:34 GMT -6
Has anyone had great results with a Fatso on the bus? I have UBK modded one but the saturation and tranny section are unchanged from the original. I find the Fatso makes everything sound smaller. Anyone else use it with success? I have the original Fatso and can echo that. This is why i use it mostly for parallel drum duties. I am not 100% sure, but i think its the compression which narrows stuff. But here is a cool trick, which works on the original as well as the UBK - posted by Gregory himself on the site I shall not name: "Also, if you really want to get every possible ounce of juice out of the unit, do yourself a massive favor and stick a gain control in the sidechain. Turn it all the way down to turn the compressor off, then dial up your input so that you get some healthy saturation and thickening, let the Comfy light blink a lot with an occasional blip of Roast. Then creep the level of the sidechain back up until you get the desired amount of squeeze. Taking the time to do that will make you about 200% happier with the results, as you'll have maximized the saturation on its own terms rather than simply letting the compression dictate what you get on that front. If you've got a cheap graphic eq laying around, even better. Stick that in the sidechain and pull out 6dB of everything below 300, and put a 3dB bump at 2.5k if doing vocals, or 6k if doing acoustic guitar, or 10k if doing drums. It'll change your life. Gregory Scott - ubk" I bought the cheapest Behringer EQ i could get and this really works like a charm. Heck, when going nuts with the low frequencies on the EQ you can turn your Fatso even into a friggin pumping Daft Punk Alesis comp with trannies and saturarion ;-) Yeah, I've done this in the past, controlling with the insert, and it did sound nice. I'll try it on the 2 buss today. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. |
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Post by henge on Jun 17, 2014 6:17:55 GMT -6
The idea of the Alesis 3630 being used as a go-to comp by some 'artists' these days is just all kinds of truckloads of ridiculous hilarity! Talk about a piece that kills everything put into it!!LOL If you think of a 3630 as an FX box then it makes sense in a way... |
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Post by Ward on Jun 17, 2014 7:14:17 GMT -6
The idea of the Alesis 3630 being used as a go-to comp by some 'artists' these days is just all kinds of truckloads of ridiculous hilarity! Talk about a piece that kills everything put into it!!LOL If you think of a 3630 as an FX box then it makes sense in a way... Well then, if that is the metric... I understand. BTW, you can buy old Alesis Micro-Limiters for $25 all day long and they're a helluva lot better sounding than 3630s. |
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Post by donr on Jun 17, 2014 10:58:50 GMT -6
Talk about a piece that kills everything put into it!!LOL If you think of a 3630 as an FX box then it makes sense in a way... Well then, if that is the metric... I understand. BTW, you can buy old Alesis Micro-Limiters for $25 all day long and they're a helluva lot better sounding than 3630s. I used a micro limiter for a couple years back when. The 3630 could be the most awful piece of gear I've ever heard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 13:47:09 GMT -6
The 3630 had some serious flaws that made it sound really bad stock. Bad parts choices and flaw psu. Design was still good. In principle.
Especially the older ones were near unsusable e.g. the gate.
A few inexpensive mods can make it a useful piece of gear, flexible vca-compressor as good as any piece of gear you might have in the dynamics rack ... still have one and like it - modded to my likings, of course....
If someone says "I used xxx piece of gear in this production..." i often ask myself if this is a stock unit, an early or a late one, or modded.....or just as an effects distortion box....
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Post by sinasoid on Jun 18, 2014 16:37:25 GMT -6
Joe Meek Stereo Compressor! We had one in our used inventory for a while, and it sounded freaking fantastic. Really cheap too.
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Post by ephi82 on Jun 21, 2014 12:46:58 GMT -6
John,
This may not be the answer you were looking for, but I have a theory about 2 buss compression.
This is obviously not a revelation, but from the beginning of modern recording, the goal was to get recordings to be punchy and loud on little mono record players and the radio, mostly played through a speaker in the dashboard. This practice has continued and evolved up until today, where the mixing and mastering of music is designed to maximize the ability to blow those earbuds out of your ears! I cant say I favor recordings like this, and thankfully, there are artists who show some restraint.
My point is this: When I have 20 tracks that I bring together in a mix, if the music and performances are good, I can get it to sound terrific in the studio. Friends/family etc love it. Tons of dynamics, and depending on the song, having the dynamics can make the sound very special.
However, when I slap a little 2 buss compression on it, and adjust the mix to accommodate, it simply sounds like a different animal...... much more ready for "radio", or reproduction for sale by download or cd etc. Most of the listeners who heard the first version say this one sounds "better".
My point is that in my opinion, the original mix, with no, or very minimal 2 buss compression, can often be a more interesting and "better" recording than a version mixed/mastered to meet mass buying expectations.
As a result, in my little world of unpublished home recordings, I am doing what I cal two final mixes, one with no or minimal 2 buss compression, and a second where I dont hesitate to use that 2 buss compressor to make it as loud and radio ready as can be.
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Post by wiz on Jun 21, 2014 16:06:30 GMT -6
I find its important to not "kill" the dynamic rhythm interplay between the left and right sides, or to indeed kill it if thats what you want.
It can have a profound impact on the rhythm and feel of the part, especially with LCR panning.
Also Mid Side stereo buss compression (670) can be a very cool way of gaining front to back depth.
cheers
Wiz
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