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Post by henge on Jun 14, 2014 8:09:30 GMT -6
So on my last two productions I decided to slap VTM ( usually 456 @ 30ips, 16 track on channels and 2 track, GP9 on 2 buss) and VCC on every channel from the very beginning. So, as soon as a part is recorded the slate stuff gets slapped on and as soon as a synth is generating a sound it goes right into the slate combo. Before this I was always using VCC and VTM about halfway to 3/4 of the way through.
I'm finding that I use less compression and eq and elements sit better. The mix sounds bigger and deeper at a much earlier stage.
Anyway, I'm thinking of the old workflow ( with tape and console ) and after recording something through a console, it always has to be brought back in to the console for monitoring. So does it make sense to render a track with VTM and VCC and then keep VTM and VCC engaged instead of deleting them?
I'm going to try keeping VTM,VCC on and see where it gets me!!
Does anyone here keep VTM,VCC on all the time?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 14, 2014 8:41:38 GMT -6
Probably the most authentic emulation is to place the tape machine last on each channel. This is because most of us only rarely recorded flat to tape. I'll have to play more with where to put console emulation. Thus far using both together hasn't sounded as good to me as just using one or the other.
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Post by ragan on Jun 14, 2014 9:02:47 GMT -6
Also, Henge, wouldn't you only have one instance of VTM per channel? It'd hit the console twice, once tracking and once mixing, but it'd only hit tape once, wouldn't it?
I'm gonna be doing this too. I've barely played with it but I like it. At least using VCC from the top. I haven't quite decided I like VTM on all channels yet.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 14, 2014 10:38:21 GMT -6
I would think the bass buildup would be huge with that. Might have to try it though. How is CPU usage when using VTM on every channel?
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Post by henge on Jun 14, 2014 11:12:30 GMT -6
Also, Henge, wouldn't you only have one instance of VTM per channel? It'd hit the console twice, once tracking and once mixing, but it'd only hit tape once, wouldn't it? I'm gonna be doing this too. I've barely played with it but I like it. At least using VCC from the top. I haven't quite decided I like VTM on all channels yet. Well, I'm thinking I'm in front of the board with the deck behind me. Play and record 4 tracks of guits to tape. Then I'd bounce them down to two tracks on the same deck. So I've recorded to tape and then bounced back down to tape. So each track would have at least two instances of tape. Now that being said we don't have to use that paradigm anymore which is freeing, but all my fave recordings are deck and board recordings. I dunno, just something that I'm trying and so far I'm liking the results. |
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Post by henge on Jun 14, 2014 11:16:35 GMT -6
I would think the bass buildup would be huge with that. Might have to try it though. How is CPU usage when using VTM on every channel? Doesn't seem so because your now monitoring through the Slate chain from the start and eq and compress accordingly. I'm finding I need less compression and eq! So far my comp is hovering at between 25 and 35% with VTM and VCC on every channel, 30 -50 tracks, and that includes verbs,delays,eq's,comps and whatever else is needed. Reaper handles these types of situations really well. |
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Post by henge on Jun 14, 2014 11:18:35 GMT -6
Probably the most authentic emulation is to place the tape machine last on each channel. This is because most of us only rarely recorded flat to tape. I'll have to play more with where to put console emulation. Thus far using both together hasn't sounded as good to me as just using one or the other. Excellent! I'll try that. Yeah, sometimes VTM never worked on a source, but when using it from the beginning, I guess I started to compensate and now it sounds good wherever it sits! |
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Post by ragan on Jun 14, 2014 11:27:02 GMT -6
Also, Henge, wouldn't you only have one instance of VTM per channel? It'd hit the console twice, once tracking and once mixing, but it'd only hit tape once, wouldn't it? I'm gonna be doing this too. I've barely played with it but I like it. At least using VCC from the top. I haven't quite decided I like VTM on all channels yet. Well, I'm thinking I'm in front of the board with the deck behind me. Play and record 4 tracks of guits to tape. Then I'd bounce them down to two tracks on the same deck. So I've recorded to tape and then bounced back down to tape. So each track would have at least two instances of tape. Now that being said we don't have to use that paradigm anymore which is freeing, but all my fave recordings are deck and board recordings. I dunno, just something that I'm trying and so far I'm liking the results. Ahh yes. Bounces. Didn't think of that. |
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Post by henge on Jun 14, 2014 11:54:14 GMT -6
Probably the most authentic emulation is to place the tape machine last on each channel. This is because most of us only rarely recorded flat to tape. I'll have to play more with where to put console emulation. Thus far using both together hasn't sounded as good to me as just using one or the other. Now this has always made the most sense to me, to hit tape last. But Slate suggests putting it on first. I just made it the last insert and the sound changed too much so I put it back, which shows the validity of working with it from the beginning. Going to try some stuff with VTM last in the chain. |
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Post by wiz on Jun 14, 2014 15:51:33 GMT -6
I have tried this, many times. In all sorts of different configs and places in the mixing and recording chain.
For me it came down to this.
I don't have many tracks in my own productions, maybe 15, sometimes up to 20.
In that instance VCC didn't really make a positive impact.
When I got client mixes in that had large track counts, it did tend to make things easier for me, in getting the mix up quickly. I am only hypothesising but I think
if I had the time with those sort of mixes I would not use it. But sometimes you don't. (budget related)
VTM. I just don't really find a use for at any stage of the process.
I actually prefer a competitors product for tape, and I find that I hit it really quite softly.
I think it depends greatly on the amount of stuff going on in your mix.
I have just found, that when I come in the next day, when I pull this stuff off my mixes, I like it better.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 15:56:44 GMT -6
My mixes are always 25+ tracks. I start every mix with VCC everywhere, VTM on the 2buss and my 2buss hardware compressor. I use Neve on the VCC. I don't get a low end buildup that's bad, I find it adds the right weight for me. It changes the shape more than builds up.
Forgot, before any of these I use a trim plug to begin all tracks at -18dbs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 11:37:23 GMT -6
I track through VTM and VCC (Don't remember settings for VTM but VCC is always N drive +3), mix I usually just slap the 1/2" on the master and VCC in Trident mode, same +3 drive setting. My mix goes to shit when I take VCC off and gets way better when I take VTM off, so I now am back to using MPX.
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