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Post by EmRR on Dec 28, 2022 18:47:21 GMT -6
But you have to print the plate again any time there's a change...... Doug, do you print your plate return on its own track, or blended with the source? Print it back to it's own tracks, which requires a repatch/reconfig relative to it's normal aux send/return path. I need to figure out a better way. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 28, 2022 18:59:13 GMT -6
When and how do you capture output? Do you print/render effects on to the track and just commit? Or do you print a “wet” track and keep the dry track just in case (functionally kind of the same thing I guess). For me I primarily use HW on busses and only adjust by adjusting send levels to the HW. But it limits what I can use HW for. Maybe I should just print after each session and “own” my first gut call. I print the wet to a new track and mute/disable the original in case of need for deep recall. I do a null test after capturing the print, to verify it's exactly the same as the "live" outboard track. Hmm. Feels like a ton of effort checking the nulls. If they don’t bill at that point isn’t it just the conversion? In which case they will eventually end up like that anyway. Maybe I’m missing something. |
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2022 20:08:29 GMT -6
My plate is pretty easy for recall. I can get it to null with the original print. Also, there's a great (free) plugin called snapshot that you can insert on a channel. You load photos of hardware settings from your phone into the plugin for easier recall. Gets saved with the session just like any plugin... But you have to print the plate again any time there's a change...... I've got a system where I've got 100% instant recall with my hardware. I'm going to share soon. Took me close to a decade to hone it in. But at this point, I'm really happy with it. |
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Post by damoongo on Dec 28, 2022 20:36:02 GMT -6
I print the wet to a new track and mute/disable the original in case of need for deep recall. I do a null test after capturing the print, to verify it's exactly the same as the "live" outboard track. Hmm. Feels like a ton of effort checking the nulls. If they don’t bill at that point isn’t it just the conversion? In which case they will eventually end up like that anyway. Maybe I’m missing something. Just a quick solo of the pairs and phase flip to double check. It's easy to miss something printing 8 or 10 individual tracks simultaneously, especially when some inserts are ITB and need to be bypassed for the print tehn reenabled etc. Takes 2 mins to check and just gives you piece of mind that you didn't miss something. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 28, 2022 20:55:34 GMT -6
Doug, do you print your plate return on its own track, or blended with the source? Print it back to it's own tracks, which requires a repatch/reconfig relative to it's normal aux send/return path. I need to figure out a better way. Doug this is why I have always used a ch rather than a dedicated return ( aka useless input). |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 28, 2022 21:24:16 GMT -6
Hmm. Feels like a ton of effort checking the nulls. If they don’t bill at that point isn’t it just the conversion? In which case they will eventually end up like that anyway. Maybe I’m missing something. Just a quick solo of the pairs and phase flip to double check. It's easy to miss something printing 8 or 10 individual tracks simultaneously, especially when some inserts are ITB and need to be bypassed for the print tehn reenabled etc. Takes 2 mins to check and just gives you piece of mind that you didn't miss something. Oh I see... makes sense. Not a sonic check, more of a "did I actually remember take this off bypass" (or whatever) check. |
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Post by linas on Dec 29, 2022 5:59:02 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts  So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. |
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Post by Chad on Dec 29, 2022 11:55:01 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. If you could at least test drive one, I would recommend a used or new Louder than Liftoff Silver Bullet — even before a G Comp. Seriously, I’m amazed by that box. |
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Post by drsax on Dec 30, 2022 10:33:04 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. If you could at least test drive one, I would recommend a used or new Louder than Liftoff Silver Bullet — even before a G Comp. Seriously, I’m amazed by that box. agreed Chad - I keep saying the same about the SB. If I only had one piece of outboard rack gear, that would be it. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 10:55:39 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. If you could at least test drive one, I would recommend a used or new Louder than Liftoff Silver Bullet — even before a G Comp. Seriously, I’m amazed by that box. The Silver Bullet gives you the most variety of tone and useable tone at that for the money. Plus while you can use it as a line stage having a choice of pre amps lets you impact your projects in ways you just can’t ITB. An outboard SSL or clone is a step up from the plugins but not a huge one and honestly I don’t think as a deal. But it is your money we are just telling you what we would do if we we’re starting out, and no Brad and Bill don’t pay us ( they probably should, but Bill would put a clause in that deal that I couldn’t give him shit and well that just ain’t going to happen)😁 Let me put it another way, when I show up at somebody’s studio with My 8ch of Dan Alexander Neve clones with real Neve transformers the usual reaction is this “ damn you don’t need 8ch of Neve to make a great record, but you know it certainly helps”. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 11:08:04 GMT -6
I mean an ssl is an ssl but do you really want what any ssl style hardware does to a snare?
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Post by ragan on Dec 30, 2022 11:17:53 GMT -6
I have the Audioscape SSL comp and I like it, but it’s probably not where I’d start for hardware. I blind AB’d the AS SSL with The Glue a lot before deciding to keep it. It (the hardware) won, but not by as big a margin as other comparisons I’ve done. If I were just starting out with hardware and wanted SSL on my mixbus (I do, I like it a lot), I’d use The Glue and spend my first hardware money on a compressor for individual channels. 1176 or LA-2a/3a or something. The margin between plug-in and hardware is way bigger there in my opinion and you can print multiple tracks through it and it will make a bigger difference to your overall production than the difference between The Glue and hardware SSL on your mixbus will.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 18:49:17 GMT -6
First hardware buy should be Audioscape Opto if you ask me. Cliche warning coming up… hard to make it sound bad. And it is straight up fun to sing into.
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Post by drbill on Dec 30, 2022 19:56:31 GMT -6
First hardware buy should be Audioscape Opto if you ask me. Cliche warning coming up… hard to make it sound bad. And it is straight up fun to sing into. I gotta say that I added an Audioscape TRAINWRECKED Opto to my opto collection (custom dual (2) LA2a, 4 Serpent 3a's, KT2a) and it's crazy good. Super nice sounding, and I love having the HF control on the front panel. Makes me reach for it on a creative level all the time. And a nice New Years shoutout to Chad - Chad, Darren - drsax and Eric - ericn for the kind Silver Bullet words of praise. I kinda like em too.  |
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Post by copperx on Dec 31, 2022 0:24:48 GMT -6
Doug, do you print your plate return on its own track, or blended with the source? Print it back to it's own tracks, which requires a repatch/reconfig relative to it's normal aux send/return path. I need to figure out a better way. I wrote a one-click script for Reaper that repatches / reconfigs the track and prints it as a new take so you can go back and forth, or reprint from the original, if needed. The script can actually print any number of tracks through the same outboard with just one click. realgearonline.com/thread/15037/print-multiple-tracks-hardware-reaperI can record a video on it if anyone's interested. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 1:31:07 GMT -6
I mean an ssl is an ssl but do you really want what any ssl style hardware does to a snare? Yes, yes I do.. I've compared a variety of plugs and clones of the SSL G-Bus comp and the real SSL (both rack & 500) works on just about anything. There's a reason why the SSL desks which had them inbuilt were used on a multitude of different things. They don't have the "mojo" or "snap" of some of my compressors but they are highly flexible and can dig hard without mashing stuff up.
I've never liked a smashed 1176 parallel bus, I can do an API 2500 but a Serpent SB4001 or SSL G just sounds like a record.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 31, 2022 5:12:18 GMT -6
I mean an ssl is an ssl but do you really want what any ssl style hardware does to a snare? Yes, yes I do.. I've compared a variety of plugs and clones of the SSL G-Bus comp and the real SSL (both rack & 500) works on just about anything. There's a reason why the SSL desks which had them inbuilt were used on a multitude of different things. They don't have the "mojo" or "snap" of some of my compressors but they are highly flexible and can dig hard without mashing stuff up.
I've never liked a smashed 1176 parallel bus, I can do an API 2500 but a Serpent SB4001 or SSL G just sounds like a record.
Me too, I love the UAD SSL MK2 plugin on drums, perfect for my production goals. It appears as time passes, we share very similar tastes |
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Post by carymiller on Dec 31, 2022 8:55:11 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. If I wanted a G Comp Clone, and I had no other gear...I would get a Tegeler Audio Creme (The Regular Version, not the Remote). The Remote is great, but more expensive, and the regular version is already stepped. The advantage is you get a fully stepped compressor (some G Comps are not stepped on all controls), and a fully stepped Pultec style EQ in ONE unit! Very cool sounding for the money, and a great design. I would still listen to the advice given by others on getting a Silver Bullet here...but if it HAD to be a G Comp. Gimme the one with the stereo Pultec built in.  |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 31, 2022 10:16:56 GMT -6
I have never worked with outboard in my life, unless turning on a comp in a big studio once counts So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really. The "SSL VCA Glue" thing (whether we're talking OEM or clones) is arguably something software gets pretty convincing with, imo. If I already had both of mine used up on other purposes, I'd have no qualms using AO's BusterSE instead. But there are other designs / styles out there that are more unique. Diode and PWM comps come to mind. Those really do have a unique flair, whether you drive the speed limit or use them creatively. |
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So, I think, 2023 will be the year I finally get a G comp for my music room. Not sure if I should, but shouldn't we all get a G comp knock off for our mastering chain, lol. Other than that, I think KHZ Tupe was a great little plug that I tried after reading Dan's post, other than that idk, too many plugs, too little time, really. Elysia Alpha Master is great for mastering. Vertigo. I finally learnt using Soothe 2. I lost track really.
