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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 13:50:43 GMT -6
OMG, what is that growing in there, Jesse?! Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… Consoles have always been a problem on the used market, brokers take the owner at his word, direct sellers are just as bad . Buyers can be just as bad don’t commit Toto buy until you know what it costs to ship or how you’re going to get it in the room. Understand what it is you are buying. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 14:23:27 GMT -6
Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… Consoles have always been a problem on the used market, brokers take the owner at his word, direct sellers are just as bad . Buyers can be just as bad don’t commit Toto buy until you know what it costs to ship or how you’re going to get it in the room. Understand what it is you are buying. Yeah, that's why I don't buy second hand consoles from half way round the world. I can fix them but at some point it's not worth the time, heat, electric bills etc. that's even if you can get parts for them (some are less serviceable than others).
If I can get a modern low draw modular where parts are guranteed in my time zone for the next decade at reasonable prices I'll consider it. Smaller the better, less parts even better and modern consoles have better specs from the outset especially those with less I/O. The advantage of the Looptrotter is there's not much to it from a service standpoint being essentially a bunch of 500 series chassis slapped together with a master / monitor unit, I/O and some aux channels. I could repair that indefinitely..
I'd never ever consider something like an LFAC again and I'm not looking for a project. I fixed my Shelford and Stam over the last five years, that's enough for me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 22, 2022 7:38:40 GMT -6
Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… Consoles have always been a problem on the used market, brokers take the owner at his word, direct sellers are just as bad . Buyers can be just as bad don’t commit Toto buy until you know what it costs to ship or how you’re going to get it in the room. Understand what it is you are buying. This console was at their shop and supposed to be serviced. We drove and picked it up from the guy. |
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Post by spindrift on Dec 22, 2022 7:58:42 GMT -6
Who was it?
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2022 10:47:25 GMT -6
Consoles have always been a problem on the used market, brokers take the owner at his word, direct sellers are just as bad . Buyers can be just as bad don’t commit Toto buy until you know what it costs to ship or how you’re going to get it in the room. Understand what it is you are buying. This console was at their shop and supposed to be serviced. We drove and picked it up from the guy. It’s sad when you have to get someone to define every statement they have made about the condition or servicing of a piece of gear, but it keeps the lawyers in business. There are 2 price points on anything. 1: the seller states and guarantees condition. 2: As is, buyer understands he is taking a risk. Sadly in the internet age, sellers either are to stupid or just don’t care. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2022 11:43:10 GMT -6
I hate silly low balls, but I am totally guilty of doing them. I’ll see a piece I want that I know is slightly over priced. So I give an offer that I think is low, but not far off from where the price should be. The hope is to get a response where the seller counters at a price closer to the bottom of what they are willing to sell the item for. Then I can decide if the price is worth it, maybe counter for a little lower. I can’t tell you how many pieces I’ve gotten that way for a decent price. Now, I have gotten pieces that needed repairs though. When i got my Dan Alexander one of the channels didn’t work and I had to reach out and get a refund for the repair. Luckily this seller was cool about it. I showed him the receipt from my tech, etc. When I got my Pearlman TM1 it worked great for like a month, and then just crapped out. I had to send it to Dave twice. That one I lost money on to a degree, but that mic sounds ridiculously good, and even after the repairs is worth more than I bought it for, considering all the custom parts built in by Dave. I love getting stuff from the Guitar Center Used section. You’ve got 30 days to return it. So if it comes and is broken, or not what I was really looking for, I drive to my local guitar center and bring it back. I’ve gotten quite a few mics at great prices this way. Some I even flipped and made money on. GC used is so hit and miss because they have never looked at it as worth investing time and money into selling it. Always have used stuff shipped to the store near you and open it up and inspect before leaving, do all communication via email and save them, Why? Because while they may lie their ass off while selling it, the guy at your local GC wants no part in wire fraud committed by other GC stores or Some others stores white elephant in their inventory. They will offer big price adjustments to keep it out of their inventory ( I suspect but no one has ever specifically told me that a price adjustment on another store’s used sale goes against the store that sold it not the local store). If you see a GC listing with a high price or something that has been sitting in inventory and you have a reasonable offer call the listing store Manager and only talk to the manager, example I bought 3 TAD 16in for $135ea and one that needed a recone for $100 shipped. Now go find me 1 for less than $500. Why because GC didn’t understand what they were and GC wasn’t going to move them because nobody looks for TAD at GC! |
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 23, 2022 1:36:29 GMT -6
For every low ball offer there’s a greedy, unrealistic sale like a U 47 without a vf14 for $20k so I low ball just to reality check them.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 23, 2022 22:37:43 GMT -6
OMG, what is that growing in there, Jesse?! Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… That totally sucks. $30K+ should be no issues and back it up if there are issues. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 23, 2022 22:42:46 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. Been eyeballing a 16-channel Wunderbar. Talk about a desk I don't need but... Back on topic: Modest Mouse's 12-channel is still up for grabs in the interwebs. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 23, 2022 23:19:42 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. Same with cars, current day. Insane. |
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Post by sean on Dec 24, 2022 8:19:55 GMT -6
OMG, what is that growing in there, Jesse?! Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… You sound like someone who might have bought a console from Sphere/Primal Gear... |
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Post by spindrift on Dec 24, 2022 8:44:35 GMT -6
Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust… You sound like someone who might have bought a console from Sphere/Primal Gear... My suspicions exactly. Name these scoundrels! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2022 9:58:38 GMT -6
Don’t want to call him out, but Someone with a better rep than that. I’m in New England…
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2022 14:25:49 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. Been eyeballing a 16-channel Wunderbar. Talk about a desk I don't need but... Back on topic: Modest Mouse's 12-channel is still up for grabs in the interwebs. Wunderbar is so sexy. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2022 14:27:24 GMT -6
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Post by Darren Boling on Dec 24, 2022 14:51:27 GMT -6
Been eyeballing a 16-channel Wunderbar. Talk about a desk I don't need but... Back on topic: Modest Mouse's 12-channel is still up for grabs in the interwebs. My buddy had one for years, such a dream to cut drums on... when it wasn't acting up! |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 24, 2022 20:35:17 GMT -6
Been eyeballing a 16-channel Wunderbar. Talk about a desk I don't need but... Back on topic: Modest Mouse's 12-channel is still up for grabs in the interwebs. My buddy had one for years, such a dream to cut drums on... when it wasn't acting up! Interesting. Do they have some issues? Or just general for consoles. They're down in Austin so if I get to a serious place on the idea I'll definitely drive down for a visit (Dallas). |
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Post by soundintheround on Dec 26, 2022 6:32:27 GMT -6
I always just list gear on Reverb as the lowest price I’d be happy to get for it….no offers. That seems to work.
If a price reduction is needed after a few months then ill do that.
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2022 14:11:10 GMT -6
I always just list gear on Reverb as the lowest price I’d be happy to get for it….no offers. That seems to work. If a price reduction is needed after a few months then ill do that. That is a pretty simple and damn intelligent approach, the problem is it doesn’t keep people from being obnoxious and making lowball offers via PM, and ignoring some of these offers might be reasonable and you might miss a quick easy sale. I think one of the biggest problems as a seller on theses platforms is this if I try to ignore these offers I might just miss a reasonable technical question. |
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Post by smashlord on Dec 26, 2022 16:59:38 GMT -6
Personally, I think most listings on Reverb are unrealistic. I see people listing items sometimes 5% below what a new piece retails for with $50+ shipping. Most of the time, if you have any relationship with your dealer, you can get 10-15% off a new piece with free shipping, which includes a warranty. Unless something is at least 35% under retail, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I've had overall good luck on Reverb, but I have had 2 units DOA (which the sellers did take back), many described as mint that weren't quite so, a a few pieces that needed money put in to them shortly after purchase.
I don't understand people who get offended by offers. It's just business. Give a counter offer and move on. If you keep getting "lowballs" and your gear has sat for sale for 4 months, it's also maybe worth considering that could be where the market actually is.
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2022 17:21:16 GMT -6
Personally, I think most listings on Reverb are unrealistic. I see people listing items sometimes 5% below what a new piece retails for with $50+ shipping. Most of the time, if you have any relationship with your dealer, you can get 10-15% off a new piece with free shipping, which includes a warranty. Unless something is at least 35% under retail, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I've had overall good luck on Reverb, but I have had 2 units DOA (which the sellers did take back), many described as mint that weren't quite so, a a few pieces that needed money put in to them shortly after purchase. I don't understand people who get offended by offers. It's just business. Give a counter offer and move on. If you keep getting "lowballs" and your gear has sat for sale for 4 months, it's also maybe worth considering that could be where the market actually is. Yeah I probably piss a lot of sellers by asking questions. Pulled from a working situation- When? How was it being used? Tested- By who? How ? When? Gone over by a tech recently serviced- Explain exactly what you mean please? Then of course we have to deal with people packing! |
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Post by soundintheround on Dec 26, 2022 23:54:36 GMT -6
Personally, I think most listings on Reverb are unrealistic. I see people listing items sometimes 5% below what a new piece retails for with $50+ shipping. Most of the time, if you have any relationship with your dealer, you can get 10-15% off a new piece with free shipping, which includes a warranty. Unless something is at least 35% under retail, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I've had overall good luck on Reverb, but I have had 2 units DOA (which the sellers did take back), many described as mint that weren't quite so, a a few pieces that needed money put in to them shortly after purchase. I don't understand people who get offended by offers. It's just business. Give a counter offer and move on. If you keep getting "lowballs" and your gear has sat for sale for 4 months, it's also maybe worth considering that could be where the market actually is. Not much of what i buy is new, so cant compare to a retailer. But as a seller it really is as simple as a checkbox. Accept offers… click ’No’ I guess it comes down to what you are selling. I’m sure if you are trying to get rid of the latest ‘clone-of-the-month’ by warm audio/etc or trying to unload some pro-sumer device they sell at guitar center, good luck! I bet your inbox will get flooded with DMs lol But speaking of crazy prices, some of my best sales have come from ‘inflated’ reverb asking prices. When i see the price get super high, ill just list my item a few hundred bucks below all the others, and it usually sells within a week. Thats something you can try. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Dec 27, 2022 9:47:49 GMT -6
Interesting. Do they have some issues? Or just general for consoles. They're down in Austin so if I get to a serious place on the idea I'll definitely drive down for a visit (Dallas). I honestly have no idea and I feel it's a bit unfair of me to make a blanket statement when it was only 1 (relatively high pressure) situation and another time one channel needed a little lean-on-it love. He had an early one so I'm guessing if there were any actual issues they were rectified. I will say that right before he sold it we were doing some light tracking and mixing and it was right there with his vintage 1073's, as in it didn't feel odd to mix and match with what we were working on. Didn't do a closer cork-sniffing A/B at the time. |
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Post by schlep on Jan 1, 2023 16:34:42 GMT -6
I agree with what you are saying. Have considered pricing the item at what you think is reasonable and what you will accept and list as a ‘Buy It Now’ only type listing? This is a good fit for me personally as it omits the lowballs. Craig I've done this very thing and I still get lowball offers. I have something up there now, and someone just offered me 50% of the "buy it now" price. Super decline. -09 Those poops are well worthy of an ignore.... |
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Post by kbb on Jan 2, 2023 2:20:22 GMT -6
It's interesting...a few years ago, I realized I didn't have any emotions any more when it comes to selling stuff. Time wasters are annoying in a looking at my watch kinda way, but otherwise, I just respond to everything with some sort of "thanks, but no thanks." Before that, I'd get on a rollercoaster..."how dare they!". Not only did they waste my time, but also elicited some sort of irritation, and they won in some crappy way. I'm a robot now. Whatever gets the shit sold without taking lowball offers.
Lately, I've run into a bunch of stuff that's just straight up misrepresented. "Excellent" condition guitars with undisclosed cracks or weirdo sanded necks. The sanded neck dude was like "yeah, I flip guitars and houses." GET OUT. lol
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