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Post by indiehouse on Dec 20, 2022 9:45:15 GMT -6
I used to be able to buy gear at good prices to try it out, and sell it if it wasn't for me. It's too much of a pain to do that now. I'm actually trying to slim down my outboard, as hard as it is to part with it. I list stuff on classifieds here and GS, as well as FB. I would MUCH rather sell in these places, but the reality is that gear just sits for too long without selling on Reverb. I will say that as much as it sucks to pay the Reverb tax, their shipping protection is pretty good. I've needed it a few times as a seller and buyer, it's always a pretty painless process.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 20, 2022 9:49:19 GMT -6
And I also think that one problem feeds into another. Everyone's feeling inflation. Cost of gear goes up, used prices go up. Reverb starts taxing and raises their fees, cost of used gear goes up. Shipping costs go up, used gear prices go up. Want a reasonable price for your gear? Better list it higher so the offers come in at your price.
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 20, 2022 11:03:50 GMT -6
I agree with what you are saying. Have considered pricing the item at what you think is reasonable and what you will accept and list as a ‘Buy It Now’ only type listing? This is a good fit for me personally as it omits the lowballs. Craig I've done this very thing and I still get lowball offers. I have something up there now, and someone just offered me 50% of the "buy it now" price. Super decline. -09
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2022 11:15:33 GMT -6
I agree with what you are saying. Have considered pricing the item at what you think is reasonable and what you will accept and list as a ‘Buy It Now’ only type listing? This is a good fit for me personally as it omits the lowballs. Craig I've done this very thing and I still get lowball offers. I have something up there now, and someone just offered me 50% of the "buy it now" price. Super decline. -09 To counter I just offered a seller $25 over what the last 6 of a model of PA amp was going for, included the data about sales and was brushed off as a low baller, oh and 4 of those last six were me purchasing at asking!
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 20, 2022 13:42:40 GMT -6
I just had a guy offer under my asking price for some Hi-Hats (only under by $20)
I explained they cost way more new and he agreed that my price was reasonable and would pay it. He asked if I could keep them a few days whilst he moved house - I said all right why not (I'm a friendly chap)
He contacted me yesterday and said can I pick them up and will I take what he originally offered!! (not the price we agreed)
I told him sorry, they have sold.
He later messaged back to say, no they haven't they're still for sale.
I didn't reply, he'll just have to sit down quietly in a corner with a mug of coco and work out why he doesn't now own my hi-hats.
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Post by mattbroiler on Dec 20, 2022 15:48:51 GMT -6
yep sounds about right I cancelled my sketchy Reverb order that still had not shipped out after five days re-ordered from Alto Music with free 2day shipping it might not make it in exactly two days this time of year but I have faith in Alto Music unlike these other schlubs
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Post by ironinthepath on Dec 20, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -6
I think if Reverb is “artificially” able to raise prices, and the unit sells for the higher price, it’s more accurate to say that Reverb has succeeded in increasing the demand for the (used) product.
People in the cities historically known for recording studios, etc. have probably always had an active market for used gear (NYC, Nashville, etc.) with enough buyers/sellers for a fairly slowly changing equilibrium price for a piece of used gear. Reverb, once confidence was established, allowed for much larger market “in the boonies” for a particular item so prices rose enough even to compensate for larger fees. This would raise local prices too.
That being said, I make every effort to buy used gear locally at mutually beneficial lower price that avoids shipping, fees, sales tax, etc.
On Reverb, using the “offer” feature will entice quicker sales at whatever “the market will bear”; but hard to avoid lowball offers without setting a price floor. In my view, the existence of a price floor in a system would encourage buyers to try to find it by offering low amounts. Maybe Reverb is just operating the way they intended? :-)
EDIT: And since Reverb gets a percentage of the sales price, as far as I understand (I’ve spent a couple thousand on the site, never sold anything) it’s in their best interest for prices to be high. I need to use RGO classifieds more!
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Post by lpedrum on Dec 20, 2022 17:37:54 GMT -6
EDIT: And since Reverb gets a percentage of the sales price, as far as I understand (I’ve spent a couple thousand on the site, never sold anything) it’s in their best interest for prices to be high. I need to use RGO classifieds more! Honestly, I often forget that RGO has classifieds because I always just click on the PRO AUDIO page. I certainly wouldn't mind if a thread at the top of the Pro Audio Page was established with something like "New Classified Listings This Week" to provide for an easy click.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 18:16:52 GMT -6
I think if Reverb is “artificially” able to raise prices, and the unit sells for the higher price, it’s more accurate to say that Reverb has succeeded in increasing the demand for the (used) product. People in the cities historically known for recording studios, etc. have probably always had an active market for used gear (NYC, Nashville, etc.) with enough buyers/sellers for a fairly slowly changing equilibrium price for a piece of used gear. Reverb, once confidence was established, allowed for much larger market “in the boonies” for a particular item so prices rose enough even to compensate for larger fees. This would raise local prices too. That being said, I make every effort to buy used gear locally at mutually beneficial lower price that avoids shipping, fees, sales tax, etc. On Reverb, using the “offer” feature will entice quicker sales at whatever “the market will bear”; but hard to avoid lowball offers without setting a price floor. In my view, the existence of a price floor in a system would encourage buyers to try to find it by offering low amounts. Maybe Reverb is just operating the way they intended? :-) EDIT: And since Reverb gets a percentage of the sales price, as far as I understand (I’ve spent a couple thousand on the site, never sold anything) it’s in their best interest for prices to be high. I need to use RGO classifieds more! No. That gear always sits. They’re mostly just losers with warehouses and gear resellers trying to rip people off for the most part. If you offer what a piece will SELL for rather than SIT for minus the cost of repair they will turn you down until they find someone gullible enough to rip off. Facebook marketplace is a bunch of broken cheap shit people should be paying you to haul off to Best Buy electronic recycling for the most part. 100-1000 off a condition indeterminant used item that optically looks okay is not a deal! These leeches are not measuring them or the people using them and they still work for them. Most 10-20 year old plus gear it is almost surely broken and has a repair cost that will run you at least a bench fee + parts + shipping. The points of failures add up and they’re not telling you what is spotty. They don’t even know because that’s why it was traded in. Reverb and used gear resellers who aren’t fixing the items are LEACHES.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 20, 2022 18:29:46 GMT -6
Reverb and used gear resellers who aren’t fixing the items are LEACHES. We bought a $30k+ console from a supposedly reputable reseller who was supposed to fully go through the console and make sure it was tip top. They didn’t go through it and blew off my attempts at repairs.
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Post by ab101 on Dec 20, 2022 19:55:32 GMT -6
Need an "ouch" emoji."
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Post by ironinthepath on Dec 20, 2022 20:14:01 GMT -6
I’ve had some shady stuff, but mostly good transactions on reverb maybe at the “gullible” prices. Then again, I have my own lab with my own test gear at home and in normal circumstances can fix basic issues unless the parts are unobtainable(careful about fakes btw). It seems to me that GC is the place to go for broken stuff, and that it just gets returned and sold to the next person.
Sorry for your bad experiences though.
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Post by spindrift on Dec 20, 2022 21:01:51 GMT -6
It seems to me that GC is the place to go for broken stuff, and that it just gets returned and sold to the next person. My experience exactly....and dishonest salesmen. A waste of time...but GC corporate returns did refund my money quickly. It gets sent back to a centralized warehouse and then it probably gets serviced or wholesaled out somewhere. The salesmen and their managers just want it off their local store's books and will tell you anything.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 20, 2022 22:56:23 GMT -6
Reverb and used gear resellers who aren’t fixing the items are LEACHES. We bought a $30k+ console from a supposedly reputable reseller who was supposed to fully go through the console and make sure it was tip top. They didn’t go through it and blew off my attempts at repairs. OMG, what is that growing in there, Jesse?!
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Post by ironinthepath on Dec 20, 2022 23:11:00 GMT -6
I’ve seen gear from the 80s (Ashly compressor, namely) that had some sort of foam added back then, presumably to help minimize impact of vibration, etc. but by 2020 it had decomposed into a nasty gunk similar to that gray matter in appearance. Not sure if that console had same “feature”
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 21, 2022 3:31:58 GMT -6
…. and what is that statement people write.
For example.
CL1B for sale bought for project that never happened. Recently serviced by Tubetech.
Wtf ….
Why has everything just been recently serviced?
I have gear 15 years old that’s never been “serviced” …. it doesn’t “need servicing” because it’s not broken!!!!
I see it all the time, even crazy statements like
“Neumann U67 RI six months old - recently serviced by Sennhesier”
I’m like, I bet it wasn’t because unless you threw it at your drummer there’s no reason on earth to have it “serviced”
It’s a red flag for me when looking at any second hand gear.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 21, 2022 6:00:15 GMT -6
I hate silly low balls, but I am totally guilty of doing them. I’ll see a piece I want that I know is slightly over priced. So I give an offer that I think is low, but not far off from where the price should be. The hope is to get a response where the seller counters at a price closer to the bottom of what they are willing to sell the item for. Then I can decide if the price is worth it, maybe counter for a little lower. I can’t tell you how many pieces I’ve gotten that way for a decent price.
Now, I have gotten pieces that needed repairs though. When i got my Dan Alexander one of the channels didn’t work and I had to reach out and get a refund for the repair. Luckily this seller was cool about it. I showed him the receipt from my tech, etc. When I got my Pearlman TM1 it worked great for like a month, and then just crapped out. I had to send it to Dave twice. That one I lost money on to a degree, but that mic sounds ridiculously good, and even after the repairs is worth more than I bought it for, considering all the custom parts built in by Dave.
I love getting stuff from the Guitar Center Used section. You’ve got 30 days to return it. So if it comes and is broken, or not what I was really looking for, I drive to my local guitar center and bring it back. I’ve gotten quite a few mics at great prices this way. Some I even flipped and made money on.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2022 7:47:11 GMT -6
When reverb increased jts fees, sellers just increased asking prices.
Reverb has world profile so for me the scammers snd low ballers were always there, wasting my time.
Pretty well gave up ob reverb selling due to fees and most bugera basically want to offer a price less shipping. I guess they think stuff in retail stores just magically appears there and that originsl buyers haven’t paid fir shipping?
Been having a good experience just selling on kijiji.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 9:38:12 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need..
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 21, 2022 9:46:21 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. Not sure what you are looking for, but I'm really loving my Dangerfox Genesis 24U
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 10:07:32 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. Not sure what you are looking for, but I'm really loving my Dangerfox Genesis 24U Looptrotter 16ch modular console.. Think I might just go for it next year.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 21, 2022 10:46:39 GMT -6
Not sure what you are looking for, but I'm really loving my Dangerfox Genesis 24U Looptrotter 16ch modular console.. Think I might just go for it next year. I've always been intrigued by that piece. It looks really nice.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 21, 2022 12:53:10 GMT -6
I had a look for giggles, noticed a lot of second hand equipment is as expensive or more so than retail. Remained baffled for 0.001 seconds, went back to looking at mixing desks I don't need.. I know right. When I was building my guitar pedal board just about every second hand pedal I saw was the same or slightly more than simply buying the pedal new! - I thought that's really odd. Well sometimes it was a little bit cheaper but only a little bit, I mean who buys a pedal for a few pounds/dollars/euros cheaper when you get no guarantee and there's always a chance of it arriving smelling of smoked sausage!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2022 12:58:31 GMT -6
We bought a $30k+ console from a supposedly reputable reseller who was supposed to fully go through the console and make sure it was tip top. They didn’t go through it and blew off my attempts at repairs. OMG, what is that growing in there, Jesse?! Just mountains of dust. “Take the risk out of buying used gear. All of our used gear comes fully serviced with a 90 day warranty and a satisfaction guarantee, thus giving you peace of mind!” Bullshit. Obviously, the console was not fully serviced. Literally the first thing we did when we got the console to the studio was hook up the mains and an aux cable to external input 1 on the board. Just to listen to some music while setting up. External input 1 doesn’t work. Sine wav generator? Doesn’t work. Couple flaky pre/comp modules, yep. Bunch of dead connectors on power supply? Yep. Channel 11 aux sends? Nope, not working right. Got rid of the old Midas because it had a bunch of flaky shit that we had to work around. Supposed to get a tip top console that works 100%. Nope. Should have expected issues, but we were sold on the fully serviced bs. Didn’t even pull the modules to blow the dust…
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2022 13:00:38 GMT -6
Not sure what you are looking for, but I'm really loving my Dangerfox Genesis 24U Looptrotter 16ch modular console.. Think I might just go for it next year. I’ve got a 24 channel into 2, 4 aux, Daking summing mixer that I’mgonna be looking to part with…
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