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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2022 8:30:07 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 10:45:39 GMT -6
The SimuLathe is a must buy for digital mastering engineers, mixers, and lacquer cutters. Preview in real time.
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Post by jaba on Dec 9, 2022 11:20:28 GMT -6
I can be somewhat skeptical with these types of plugs but the fact that it's TDR mean I'll likely buy it. I only do so much mastering that ends up on vinyl but when that comes up again I'll be giving this a spin (pardon the pun...).
If I understand correctly, this would show you in advance whether or not your audio has anything going on that could mess up a lacquer cut or make it less efficient than it could be. That alone would be worth the price.
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Post by phdamage on Dec 15, 2022 22:17:10 GMT -6
Really curious to try this. Wish it was cheaper. Would be an instant buy otherwise.
Wish they even just had an intro price
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 15, 2022 22:32:39 GMT -6
So - I’m 49. I bought records when I was a kid, but was too young to really get into audiophile stuff. I guess my first buys were cassettes and then when I got a home stereo that had a record player, a few records. But then around the mid to late 80’s I was completely drawn to CDs. I think the first one I bought was Jeff Healey “I See The Light” in 87 or 88.
Anyway - all that to say - I don’t understand the allure of records. I don’t understand mastering for records. Can someone fill me in on the draw and the reason I should care? I mean - I remember reading the sleeves - but I also remember pouring through cassette and cd sleeves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 22:36:09 GMT -6
REF is to correct issues in the mix or master so that it can be pressed to wax. CUT is for those who cut wax. Basically stop with the synthesized sub and look-ahead limiters digging into the tonal content.
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Post by phdamage on Dec 15, 2022 23:00:03 GMT -6
Most projects I work on are released on vinyl only. Really drawn to the idea of seeing how they will translate and how I might improve my mix
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 15, 2022 23:19:12 GMT -6
Most projects I work on are released on vinyl only. Really drawn to the idea of seeing how they will translate and how I might improve my mix Wow! That's super interesting! Sounds like you have quite the niche there! |
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Post by phdamage on Dec 15, 2022 23:26:43 GMT -6
Okay, I guess I mean only released physically on vinyl - they all still go up on Bandcamp at least for streaming.
Vinyl is still for the punks!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 15, 2022 23:54:36 GMT -6
Okay, I guess I mean only released physically on vinyl - they all still go up on Bandcamp at least for streaming. Vinyl is still for the punks! Ha! I thought you meant literally ONLY on vinyl! I was like, "whoa, that's hardcore!" |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2022 0:32:59 GMT -6
He’s a cork sniffer! Lol. I actually thought the same thing.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2022 0:37:44 GMT -6
He’s a cork sniffer! Lol. I actually thought the same thing. I was actually super impressed by whatever bands he's recording. Like they were just saying, "screw it - we're not streaming ANYTHING." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 1:59:03 GMT -6
Most projects I work on are released on vinyl only. Really drawn to the idea of seeing how they will translate and how I might improve my mix Vinyl only? Lucky. Cassette only here. Let me email Fabien now and ask for SimulDuplicator. |
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Post by phdamage on Dec 16, 2022 7:05:14 GMT -6
Luddites only in my studio!
I wonder if this would be what Flat Earth Records would be doing today if they were still around
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Post by chessparov on Dec 16, 2022 14:14:25 GMT -6
Sounds like their business ended up falling off...
Chris
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2022 14:22:34 GMT -6
Sounds like their business ended up falling off... Chris Yeah, turns out their demand curve was decidedly...well, you get it. |
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Post by christopher on Dec 20, 2022 21:11:35 GMT -6
He’s a cork sniffer! Lol. I actually thought the same thing. I was actually super impressed by whatever bands he's recording. Like they were just saying, "screw it - we're not streaming ANYTHING." My business plan is gonna be only stuff on streaming is an iPhone bootleg of the vinyl album being played on an single auratone |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 21, 2022 10:06:20 GMT -6
I don’t understand the allure of records. I don’t understand mastering for records. Can someone fill me in on the draw and the reason I should care? I mean - I remember reading the sleeves - but I also remember pouring through cassette and cd sleeves. - Vinyl is usually not brickwall limited, so for people who like high crest factor it's the antithesis of modern loud digital tracks. - A stylus scraping through a groove yields a certain sonic texture. Vinyl has a 'sound' that many people enjoy, for aesthetic and/or nostalgic reasons. - Playing records tends to be more of a focused listening experience, rather than just background music. - Bigger graphics! |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 21, 2022 10:19:56 GMT -6
A lot of albums that I master, especially in the Metal genres, get released on vinyl. I make a different master for vinyl, and I leave some of the decision-making for the cutting engineer because they're actually operating the lathe and seeing what needs adjusting for a good cut in real time, instead of me just guessing. But in recent years I've been losing faith in cutting engineers, as so many clients have received poor quality pressings. Maybe there aren't enough experienced cutters anymore, or maybe they're being rushed by high demand. So I'm looking at SimuLathe as a potential way for me to help them do a better job. I haven't demo'd it yet, but I'm reading a lot of good things about it in forums! I might try using SimuLathe to offer a new "premium vinyl optimized premaster" service for an extra fee...?
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Post by drumsound on Dec 21, 2022 10:38:32 GMT -6
So - I’m 49. I bought records when I was a kid, but was too young to really get into audiophile stuff. I guess my first buys were cassettes and then when I got a home stereo that had a record player, a few records. But then around the mid to late 80’s I was completely drawn to CDs. I think the first one I bought was Jeff Healey “I See The Light” in 87 or 88. Anyway - all that to say - I don’t understand the allure of records. I don’t understand mastering for records. Can someone fill me in on the draw and the reason I should care? I mean - I remember reading the sleeves - but I also remember pouring through cassette and cd sleeves. I don’t understand the allure of records. I don’t understand mastering for records. Can someone fill me in on the draw and the reason I should care? I mean - I remember reading the sleeves - but I also remember pouring through cassette and cd sleeves. - Vinyl is usually not brickwall limited, so for people who like high crest factor it's the antithesis of modern loud digital tracks. - A stylus scraping through a groove yields a certain sonic texture. Vinyl has a 'sound' that many people enjoy, for aesthetic and/or nostalgic reasons. - Playing records tends to be more of a focused listening experience, rather than just background music. - Bigger graphics! Plus vinyl sales have actually been UP in the last several years. A lot of albums that I master, especially in the Metal genres, get released on vinyl. I make a different master for vinyl, and I leave some of the decision-making for the cutting engineer because they're actually operating the lathe and seeing what needs adjusting for a good cut in real time, instead of me just guessing. But in recent years I've been losing faith in cutting engineers, as so many clients have received poor quality pressings. Maybe there aren't enough experienced cutters anymore, or maybe they're being rushed by high demand. So I'm looking at SimuLathe as a potential way for me to help them do a better job. I haven't demo'd it yet, but I'm reading a lot of good things about it in forums! I might try using SimuLathe to offer a new "premium vinyl optimized premaster" service for an extra fee...? Often the issue is not getting the lacquer into metal plating soon enough. There have been a lot of stories about people sending lacquers to Europe (from North America) and getting shitty products back. The issue is actually the time between cutting the lacquer and it getting into metal plating. The reason Welcome to 1979 opened their metal plating business was to get things from the cut to metal as soon as possible. The can literally walk the lacquer upstairs and get the metal plating process started. I'm good friends with Jeff Powell who runs Take Out Vinyl out of the old Sam Phillips studio complex in Memphis. He'll often cut things and have them off to '79 in Nashville the next day so that the metal work is done ASAP. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 21, 2022 10:47:11 GMT -6
Often the issue is not getting the lacquer into metal plating soon enough. Good point, for the ones who use lacquers. The DMM places are another thing altogether. I wonder if SimuLathe addresses DMM at all...? |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 21, 2022 11:32:15 GMT -6
Often the issue is not getting the lacquer into metal plating soon enough. Good point, for the ones who use lacquers. The DMM places are another thing altogether. I wonder if SimuLathe addresses DMM at all...? Good point. How many places are still doing DMM I wonder? |
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Post by phdamage on Dec 21, 2022 11:33:53 GMT -6
I thought there was only one plant still using DMM - the one in Czech Republic
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 21, 2022 11:46:58 GMT -6
GZ in the Czech Republic is indeed what I was thinking about, as several popular vinyl companies (like Pirate's Press and A to Z) are actually brokers for GZ, and that's a major part of the problems my clients run into with vinyl quality. GZ is relatively fast and cheap, but not always very good sounding. I don't know if any others use DMM. I got an answer in another forum from the developer who says SimuLathe already is fairly relevant to DMM, and they may be adding more specifically in that area in the future.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 21, 2022 14:07:43 GMT -6
GZ in the Czech Republic is indeed what I was thinking about, as several popular vinyl companies (like Pirate's Press and A to Z) are actually brokers for GZ, and that's a major part of the problems my clients run into with vinyl quality. GZ is relatively fast and cheap, but not always very good sounding. I don't know if any others use DMM. I got an answer in another forum from the developer who says SimuLathe already is fairly relevant to DMM, and they may be adding more specifically in that area in the future. I know a band that never sold or even gave me a vinyl copy of a record because they sounded so bad. I know they were made in Europe, but I don't know if it was GZ. ALWAYS get a test pressing!!!!!!! |
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