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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Nov 29, 2022 22:25:24 GMT -6
How feasible/possible is it to track into ProTools on one computer in one location, and then open that session on a separate computer at a different location and start mixing?
My drum tracking room is about 20 minutes away from my house. Once I track stuff, I play around and mix ITB and with outboard stuff. I'd be interested in practicing mixing from home as well, obviously only ITB. Is there any way to access the ProTools sessions located on my studio computer from my house computer?
I'm thinking that I could configure remote access into my tracking computer from my home computer. Is that possible with ProTools and all the plugins? Everything is monitored through my interface in the studio.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 29, 2022 23:53:47 GMT -6
First question. VERY possible! You just have to bring the whole session files and audio files. Then you can use Session Data import to bring it into your home computers mixing template easy peasey.
Work on your mix via home machine remotely controlling the studio machine? not really. Latency will be a pain and audio through any remote session software sucks ass. And really probably won't work. Unless your on a Mac and have Protools Ultimate and use the new Aux I/O feature that might work to port audio out of protools into something. Still the data compression will be atrocious. But if you want to try it, look into NoMachine. It's free and works really well if network is configured correctly.
There are several nice ways to work remotely but that's with other people on the other end. Like SessionWire, Audiomovers, or Sonnobus.
Best bet is to either just bring your PTX file on a usb stick with all files or hard drive. Or do a cloud sync and download everything.
You I/O will also always be a bit of a pain to deal with as it'll be different and if you ahve Hardware inserts obviously those won't be active at home. You can mitigate this by importing your I/O settings into the session from whatever workstation your working on. That'll help keep everything happy. And you can also always do session data import to start a basicaly blank session but on you home studio using the studio session as a template. But make it fit into whatever mixing setup you prefer at home.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2022 0:55:44 GMT -6
What he said, Blackdawg pretty much nailed it, but I will add best bet with hardware inserts in this situation is to print them. You won’t have any control of hardware but you will have something to work with and if there isn’t a time crunch can always reprint them with adjustments.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2022 10:19:34 GMT -6
I record everything on an external drive. Track drums in the studio, bring drive home, open on home machine. Just make sure you have the software installed on both machines and you should be good.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Nov 30, 2022 10:25:12 GMT -6
Outstanding, thanks y'all!
These sound like great ideas and solutions as I'm mainly just trying to get in some much needed practice with my mixing, monitoring and referencing. I typically like how my drum tracks are sounding on my simple monitoring setup in my less-than-ideal room, but, when I'm listening in my car on the ride home, I hear other things and problems pop up. Same thing with headphones, etc. I'm really just trying to calibrate my ears as much as possible, and the thought of being able to test some midrange cuts at home, or maybe drop down that reverb send a bit, etc, is quite appealing. One thing which I'm finding out is that good tracks tend to sound ok on almost everything, but unbalanced stuff is really hit or miss, which I'm guessing is why people check stuff on different speakers and rooms to some extent.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2022 11:07:33 GMT -6
Outstanding, thanks y'all! These sound like great ideas and solutions as I'm mainly just trying to get in some much needed practice with my mixing, monitoring and referencing. I typically like how my drum tracks are sounding on my simple monitoring setup in my less-than-ideal room, but, when I'm listening in my car on the ride home, I hear other things and problems pop up. Same thing with headphones, etc. I'm really just trying to calibrate my ears as much as possible, and the thought of being able to test some midrange cuts at home, or maybe drop down that reverb send a bit, etc, is quite appealing. One thing which I'm finding out is that good tracks tend to sound ok on almost everything, but unbalanced stuff is really hit or miss, which I'm guessing is why people check stuff on different speakers and rooms to some extent. Sounds like a plan, but I’m going to be that guy and say it sounds like some room treatment might be a good investment. This might also be something to think about, monitors you like are not always the best to mix through. Sometimes our taste / biases work against us, you wouldn’t believe how many guys I know who upgraded monitors to something they liked only to admit they worked better on what they didn’t like.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Nov 30, 2022 12:13:54 GMT -6
Sounds like a plan, but I’m going to be that guy and say it sounds like some room treatment might be a good investment. This might also be something to think about, monitors you like are not always the best to mix through. Sometimes our taste / biases work against us, you wouldn’t believe how many guys I know who upgraded monitors to something they liked only to admit they worked better on what they didn’t like. Totally agree on the treatment, but my room is already treated as best as its gonna get. It was actually the first thing I took care of. There are plenty of panels, scattering plates, corner traps, etc (mainly all GIK stuff). It is possibly the worst room ever, 12x12x11 feet, almost a cube. I talked a lot with GIK about a plan for tracking and made strategic purchases. Basically I got a lot of varying thickness of panels with their scattering plates to make the decay a little more reasonable without just killing everything. Before I made the jump into attempting recording, I had this same room totally covered in 4" Wedge Foam and while it was great for practicing, it wasn't an ideal solution haha. This room is all I have complete and total access to, and I'm making the best of it, primarily for tracking drums. I fully realized that I would never be able to really mix anything in there, but I'm hoping to at least learn some things incase I ever move to a bigger or better room. My monitors are on a side wall, with one speaker somewhat in a corner, the other is in more out along the wall. Terrible haha. There is only so much space in that tiny room and I can assure you I've made it almost a cathartic experience trying to squeeze every usable inch of space out of it! At this point, I'm trying to learn my room the best I can, as well as getting a feel for the really troubling stuff. I've seen enough "home studio" drummers like Aaron Sterling, Blair Sinta, and Jake Reed make this stuff work that I'm confident I can at least get acceptable results but its gonna take some work and effort.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2022 12:26:00 GMT -6
Sounds like a plan, but I’m going to be that guy and say it sounds like some room treatment might be a good investment. This might also be something to think about, monitors you like are not always the best to mix through. Sometimes our taste / biases work against us, you wouldn’t believe how many guys I know who upgraded monitors to something they liked only to admit they worked better on what they didn’t like. Totally agree on the treatment, but my room is already treated as best as its gonna get. It was actually the first thing I took care of. There are plenty of panels, scattering plates, corner traps, etc (mainly all GIK stuff). It is possibly the worst room ever, 12x12x11 feet, almost a cube. I talked a lot with GIK about a plan for tracking and made strategic purchases. Basically I got a lot of varying thickness of panels with their scattering plates to make the decay a little more reasonable without just killing everything. Before I made the jump into attempting recording, I had this same room totally covered in 4" Wedge Foam and while it was great for practicing, it wasn't an ideal solution haha. This room is all I have complete and total access to, and I'm making the best of it, primarily for tracking drums. I fully realized that I would never be able to really mix anything in there, but I'm hoping to at least learn some things incase I ever move to a bigger or better room. My monitors are on a side wall, with one speaker somewhat in a corner, the other is in more out along the wall. Terrible haha. There is only so much space in that tiny room and I can assure you I've made it almost a cathartic experience trying to squeeze every usable inch of space out of it! At this point, I'm trying to learn my room the best I can, as well as getting a feel for the really troubling stuff. I've seen enough "home studio" drummers like Aaron Sterling, Blair Sinta, and Jake Reed make this stuff work that I'm confident I can at least get acceptable results but its gonna take some work and effort. Terrible room been there done that way to many times! Good luck man.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Apr 11, 2023 7:42:46 GMT -6
So, after a few months, I'm dropping back in to sort of followup on my thread.
I currently have one perpetual license for ProTools Studio, and I've been able to open it on my two computer locations (my studio, and my apartment). So far, I've had to either use the Cloud option, or, I've had to physically carry the iLok stick around, and while I'm certainly able to do this, it becomes a bit of a pain when the Wifi is weak/out (Cloud option) or I forget the little iLok card (hardware iLok option)
Am I missing a way of streamlining this process, or do I need to bite the bullet and get a second license? I mean, the responsible option is to just be more responsible with the iLok dongle. But sometimes I forget it! My two locations are far enough apart that I really would miss a "day" of tracking or mixing if I needed to commute back and forth because of the iLok stick.
Ideally, I'd be all on the iLok stick due to the aforementioned Wifi issues. I'd either just get another perpetual, or I'd possibly consider a subscription. Currently, I'm seeing PT perpetual for $500, while the year-long subscription in $300. I'm tempted to just go with another Perpetual and always be connected with the hardware iLok.
Is it possible to store the same license on two separate iLok sticks, and then just plug them in on each computer (or unplug them) as needed? Then, I don't need to physically transport them. I'm reading online that this isn't possible, but that was really my only other idea.
Any tips or suggestions?
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Post by svart on Apr 11, 2023 8:02:41 GMT -6
A lot of ILOK licenses have multiple available copies these days. You could check your licenses in ILOK manager and see if you have secondary licenses for your plugs and then put them on a second(backup) ILOK to keep on your second computer.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Apr 11, 2023 8:05:42 GMT -6
A lot of ILOK licenses have multiple available copies these days. You could check your licenses in ILOK manager and see if you have secondary licenses for your plugs and then put them on a second(backup) ILOK to keep on your second computer. Saw this one right after I edited my post! Thanks!
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Post by svart on Apr 11, 2023 8:17:43 GMT -6
A lot of ILOK licenses have multiple available copies these days. You could check your licenses in ILOK manager and see if you have secondary licenses for your plugs and then put them on a second(backup) ILOK to keep on your second computer. Saw this one right after I edited my post! Thanks! I haven't tried it myself, but I plan on trying it soon. thankfully my ILOK is still going strong after like 10 years but I wonder about it lasting another 10.. I have read of others doing this though.
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Post by svart on Apr 19, 2023 8:46:33 GMT -6
A lot of ILOK licenses have multiple available copies these days. You could check your licenses in ILOK manager and see if you have secondary licenses for your plugs and then put them on a second(backup) ILOK to keep on your second computer. Saw this one right after I edited my post! Thanks! So I finally got around to putting my extra licenses on a second ILOK and they work fine. I guess that's the easiest way to do this if you have plugs that supply second licenses. I plan on using that ILOK as my backup in case something happens to my 10 year old primary one. Most of my plugs had 2 or 3 licenses available in ILOK manager. Only a couple had one license, but those I barely use so it's no big loss for me.
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Post by eyebytwomuchgeer on Apr 19, 2023 10:56:30 GMT -6
Thanks! My plugins all had at least 2 or 3 licenses, so that was a breeze. My main issue was loading ProTools in two separate locations using a singular license. I was able to do it over the Cloud, but my connection has issues sometimes. And having to move the main iLok every time was....well...not ideal.
I ended up buying a second full perpetual license, so now I have two. Got a nice deal and some store credit as well. In any case, one license is at the main tracking studio. The other is at my mixing location. No more dragging the iLoks around, or wondering if the WiFi is getting dicey.
Maybe I royally screwed up, but I wasn't able to split my initial ProTools license onto multiple iLok sticks. I was only seeing the option of deactivating it to move between iLoks. I was able to dump the plugins onto multiple locations though!
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Post by subspace on Apr 20, 2023 11:18:26 GMT -6
Thanks! My plugins all had at least 2 or 3 licenses, so that was a breeze. My main issue was loading ProTools in two separate locations using a singular license. I was able to do it over the Cloud, but my connection has issues sometimes. And having to move the main iLok every time was....well...not ideal. I ended up buying a second full perpetual license, so now I have two. Got a nice deal and some store credit as well. In any case, one license is at the main tracking studio. The other is at my mixing location. No more dragging the iLoks around, or wondering if the WiFi is getting dicey. Maybe I royally screwed up, but I wasn't able to split my initial ProTools license onto multiple iLok sticks. I was only seeing the option of deactivating it to move between iLoks. I was able to dump the plugins onto multiple locations though! Correct, Pro Tools only allows one iLok activation like iZotope products. They do give three iLok activations for the Complete Plug-in Bundle to current support plan/subscription holders, so I typically keep one Pro Tools license on an active support plan and my second perpetual is frozen at 2021 but still able to use the plug-in bundle with a second iLok activation. However, HEAT is restricted to one activation per support plan/subscription to make things that much less convenient moving sessions.
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