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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2022 10:57:06 GMT -6
Personally, I got tired of the ribbon tweeter over time, so demo carefully if you do !
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2022 11:11:46 GMT -6
Personally, I got tired of the ribbon tweeter over time, so demo carefully if you do ! AMT, planer yes ribbon no😁 |
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2022 11:45:51 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets.
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Post by bchurch on Nov 25, 2022 11:58:23 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets. I like this idea. Cut 'em out of some nice 13 ply Birch like my old Equator q12's! I swear the lumber was 25% the weight, and those suckers had some serious amplification in 'em. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2022 12:22:34 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets. I like this idea. Cut 'em out of some nice 13 ply Birch like my old Equator q12's! I swear the lumber was 25% the weight, and those suckers had some serious amplification in 'em. If it wasn’t so impossible to get and expensive 18mm 18 ply Baltic Birch! But my suppliers are at this point selling scraps that in the past would end up in the .25 bin and let you take for free for $5! |
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2022 12:27:07 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets. I like this idea. Cut 'em out of some nice 13 ply Birch like my old Equator q12's! I swear the lumber was 25% the weight, and those suckers had some serious amplification in 'em. Oh I almost bought a cheap Chinese CNC a couple of weeks ago, but the defection was terrible because of the crappy gantry design. You could see the spindle shacking, so I’m trying to not give into GAS and grab an open builds Lead Machine 1010. |
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Post by bchurch on Nov 25, 2022 13:43:09 GMT -6
Yeah, I managed to wedge an entire, fully stocked studio into a 3rd NYC bedroom. I can't imagine it doubling as a woodshop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 17:43:04 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets. Quested needs to get their US distribution back in order. Fatigue free but still ruthlessly revealing speakers. |
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Post by plinker on Nov 26, 2022 18:03:59 GMT -6
Like mine, your room is compromised.. I have a lot of treatment in the space and traps in the corners, but I won't disagree with you. The 8" woofer on the dyns might be too much. That's one of the major reasons I've been leaning toward the Focals. My understanding is that combined surface area of the two mid-range drivers along with the passive radiators enable it to produce low frequencies very efficiently, with the caveat that it rolls off steeply at the very bottom of its range. My recordings are largely in the folk and jazz genres, and I don't pump up the bass. That said, I would like to hear more about the Dyns. I hear you and work in the same genres. Just keep in mind that any monitor frequency you have to do an EQ correction for is wasted dollars. I save everything below 100 Hz for really good headphones. Mid-range frequencies dominate and, IMHO, need standoff speakers to adjudicate. Everything else is second-tier (for me) and go to the cans.
Maybe you could do a quick EQ scan of your room, with current monitors, and see what the problem frequencies are before deciding on new speakers?
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2022 18:19:07 GMT -6
Someday I need to post the plans to a simple Quested 3 way design and the upgraded design. Maybe after I get the CNC and can provide flat pack cabinets. Quested needs to get their US distribution back in order. Fatigue free but still ruthlessly revealing speakers. New ownership seams to think that his big US dealers function as a distributor. Nobody is stocking any inventory, nobody pushes them because there isn’t any in country. Problem is anyone you would want as a US distributor is conflict free. Plus they don’t seam to be pushing custom mains that if you sold a couple a year would feed the family. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:32:19 GMT -6
Quested needs to get their US distribution back in order. Fatigue free but still ruthlessly revealing speakers. New ownership seams to think that his big US dealers function as a distributor. Nobody is stocking any inventory, nobody pushes them because there isn’t any in country. Problem is anyone you would want as a US distributor is conflict free. Plus they don’t seam to be pushing custom mains that if you sold a couple a year would feed the family. Yeah when I contacted a bunch of their dealers a while ago, only Vintage King got back to me and they flat out told me "If you want them and pay for them now, we can get them but we have no idea when we will get them." and then pretty much "Do you want ATCs or ProAcs instead?"
And 4k USD for a pair of H108 or the Proac SM100 is absolutely ridiculous now. They're more expensive than the passive ATC SCM20 used and the active 20s include good amps.
So the search continues. and oh how people overvalue their beat up old "money brand" monitors that almost certainly need new drivers and rebuilt crossovers. Sorry they're not worth 75-90% of MSRP of a later model. Some of this stuff they should be paying you to haul it away with a friend and a truck! Etsy owned Reverb suggested pricing has just made it way worse across all online marketplaces.
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Post by M57 on Nov 27, 2022 18:01:01 GMT -6
Pulled the trigger on the lyd48‘s. Should be getting them sometime this week. Thanks all!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 27, 2022 18:12:57 GMT -6
Nice: lucky you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 18:36:05 GMT -6
Pulled the trigger on the lyd48‘s. Should be getting them sometime this week. Thanks all! Congrats, but.. The other day I had a stern reminder of how your monitors are only as good as your room. I've upgraded from the LYD 48's thinking they're the best thing since sliced bread, in my acoustician designed smaller room they did sound phenomenal. To the point my favourite Beyer headphones always tooks second place.. Anyway I moved everything (treatment etc.) into a far larger room and my word they were pretty much unintelligible. This crystal clear, hyper wide stereo field packed with detail collapsed before my ears. So, I had to start using headphones again.. My point? In some situations I wouldn't even bother with monitors anddd that's the problem. In the right situation, with the right personal preferences, in the right room there's no replacement for a good set of monitors. Although experience weighs heavily in selection, for example the LYD's were absolutely fine in my old house. Now the smaller control room (in my new house compared to a grand ol' room) is where the Core 59's reign supreme but they do so because of their front ported nature. I've tried several rear ports like Genelec's or the LYD 48's and the sound / analytics via room correction SW is well off.. However in my large room rear ported or sealed rules the roost. If you've ever wondered why somebody says "monitors are personal" this might help understand the explanation and some well known "sub par" monitors might work for specific rooms due to their inherent deficiencies. Makes you wonder huh? (or maybe not?)..
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Post by bchurch on Dec 4, 2022 6:35:37 GMT -6
For as much as we focus on a monitors' specs and the space / placement they're in, there's still just a bit of luck and magic to the right box in the right box. I LOVED my Avantone Abbey Pros in my old space, now I have a dedicated hardware EQ assigned to compensating for them. Sounds stupid or needless, but it's just the mother of invention. I mix the way I think it's supposed to sound and then patch it in towards the very end to tame the low-end the Abbeys think I can get away with (but sounds too weighty in the real world). I'm not even being lulled into a false sense of confidence by a subwoofer.
Impractical as this would be, it would be amazing if there were a company that would come to your space with five or six different sets of monitors to try in your space. "Let's try the HEDD's again..." In this Amazon world of simply hitting 'buy it now', there are certain things that simply don't work on features and spec sheets alone. I bought a set of EVE SC207's a couple years back to try something different - in the store they sounded amazing, they just didn't work for me back in my space and had to go back.
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Post by M57 on Dec 4, 2022 6:42:52 GMT -6
Breaking the lyd48's in. I'm very happy with them so far. I found that if I play them too loud, resonant frequencies in the lower mids (0.2kish) start to bloom a bit. This doesn't surprise me because I know that when I mix material recorded in the same space on headphones I usually have to surgically eq things in that area. In other words, they are in the recording, and I suspect that the problem is exacerbated when I play it back in the same space. Luckily my space is pretty large and I have the speakers away from walls and corners, so at low to moderate volume levels, all seems fine. I'm definitely appreciating the perspectives I get from switching from speakers to headphones and back.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2022 8:58:51 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2022 9:36:53 GMT -6
For as much as we focus on a monitors' specs and the space / placement they're in, there's still just a bit of luck and magic to the right box in the right box. I LOVED my Avantone Abbey Pros in my old space, now I have a dedicated hardware EQ assigned to compensating for them. Sounds stupid or needless, but it's just the mother of invention. I mix the way I think it's supposed to sound and then patch it in towards the very end to tame the low-end the Abbeys think I can get away with (but sounds too weighty in the real world). I'm not even being lulled into a false sense of confidence by a subwoofer. Impractical as this would be, it would be amazing if there were a company that would come to your space with five or six different sets of monitors to try in your space. "Let's try the HEDD's again..." In this Amazon world of simply hitting 'buy it now', there are certain things that simply don't work on features and spec sheets alone. I bought a set of EVE SC207's a couple years back to try something different - in the store they sounded amazing, they just didn't work for me back in my space and had to go back. In theory I absolutely agree, like most things the real world experience craps all over it. Having had shown up at a couple of very good customers places with 3 or pairs of speakers ( yeah it helps in these situations when the Genelec rep and the Quested reps are close friends so you can get demos) . It’s all about finding the time to find the perfect or near perfect placement for each. Then it always seamed like you ( well not exactly you Benny, but the customer) wanted to be able to have them all or at least most set up at once for quick comparison. I get it, but even if we had taken the time fumbled through what EQ settings there were and the magical placements for each worked so that we would not be compromising positions, the effects of basically extending the baffle by putting all these boxes up would screw the sonic pooch. As far as the EQ well dirty secret, you know all of those magical monitor set up gurus who would be hired after someone paid a king’s ransom to the acoustics guy and for those big custom mains, guess what his secret weapon is / was? Yep an EQ, usually not a graphic but a nice parametric. What is the biggest function of any of the room correction software, Yep EQ, why do so many speaker designers love those crappy plate amps? Pre set EQ. Take a look at any current big mains system you think that DSP box is there just for crossover? Nope they’re doing a bunch of EQ! I’ll admit it as I’m learning Soundweb for the live rig I’m playing with it on the Questeds and if they were set up for tri amp I could do a lot with 4 bands of perametric on each driver! |
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