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Post by bchurch on Nov 23, 2022 8:43:27 GMT -6
The "console tone" from something like the 4K is just distortion from driving the circuits a little hard. You have to KNOW how to do it correctly or you get too much distortion or none at all. I'd offer up that the 4K 'sound' is hard to pin down, since you've got different revisions of the pre/line amp, eq, and dynamics. I worked quite a bit on a certain E series back in Chicago that really did have 'the magic'. The brown EQ's, the old VCA's, the JT-115 trafos... it was most assuredly not the pristine signal integrity that we now associate the brand with - much more a rock and roll board (and a LOT of great rock/metal records were mixed on it, going through that studio's tape vault made you feel like you were in the presence of greatness). Given the choice between mixing ITB and a 9000-J, I'd sooner stay in the box. But if the opportunity / budget was there to have 48 sticks of those older circuit designs in front of me (assuming all 48 are working... and sound the same... not a given), I'd be for it. |
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Post by bchurch on Nov 23, 2022 8:44:21 GMT -6
Oh... but first I'd need to hit eBay to find an 8" floppy to save my settings. Yeah... VINTAGE!
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Post by robo on Nov 24, 2022 13:24:27 GMT -6
Thanks again to all; I've learned from all the responses. Here's a couple of thoughts: - plugins like Airwindows Console are supposed to emulate the console vibe. I don't know if it succeeds, but if it does... - what is it about consoles that lend a vibe? Well, I'm not a believer that electricity sounds different, so it must have something to do with saturation/distortion. Do plugin "consoles" simply add saturation/distortion to the equation? From the videos I've seen, it appears that fat bottom girls make the rockin' world go round! As a user of Airwindows Console variations for the last 7-8 years, I can tell you it does more than saturation. In fact, Purest Console is super clean, and still adds a sense of depth and cohesion that straight DAW mixes lack. There’s some encoding/deciding process between the channel/sub/bus plugins along with serial subsonic filtering and saturation that whatever they are doing technically, IMO make mixing quicker and easier. It does something similar to what I perceive to happen with summing mixers and consoles. Whenever I’ve bothered doing an AB comparison, I quickly go back to the Console version and finish my mix. |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Nov 24, 2022 18:07:38 GMT -6
robo : I've also been an enthusiastic Airwindows Console user for some years (I'm currently favouring the Console7 version), and your comment about a sense of depth ties in perfeectly with what my ears tell me. It seems to make the transients stick out slightly more, so that you can more easily hear exactly where each sound is in the mix (left and right as well as forward and backward), leading to more separation and detail. Works for me anyway!
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