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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2022 1:55:29 GMT -6
Just joking !
I have been using my trusty sony 7506, cus I know them so well, but wondering about new monitors (cla ns10’s?) and or the slate headphones, which get good reviews but i am skeptical about?
was wondering about people’s approaches to improved awareness of mid congestion/ clarity while mixing?
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 18, 2022 5:12:26 GMT -6
LOL .... these old films - even the 70's (like James Bond) - when the guy wooing the 19 year old girl is old enough to be their dad!
Hey, KTD for me it's a lot to do with arrangements being spot on but a pair of grot boxes (everyday speakers) can help.
Before I got my ATC 25's and mixed on 0300's I used a a pair of Auratone 5C's and some little portable Sony Powered speakers that revealed congestion
in the low mids really well.
But start with an arrangement that not congested in the mids and your 90% there before you even start mixing.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 18, 2022 5:14:57 GMT -6
Shaken.
Not stirred.
Chris
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Post by drumsound on Nov 18, 2022 10:02:34 GMT -6
I was feeling similarily and decided that 3-way monitors were the way to go.
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Post by svart on Nov 18, 2022 10:05:42 GMT -6
I no longer have much issue with mids when I went 3 way with the KH310D's. Other than that I still have the NS10's up but I also listen through some panasonic HJE120 earbuds for all-around checking.
Going 3 way IS absolutely the way forward. Two-way speakers just always seemed to sound fine in the studio then have weird mid stuff in translation.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2022 10:25:59 GMT -6
I am definitely interested in the 3 way monitor option. I demoed the dyn a while back and was really impressed.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2022 10:26:47 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Nov 18, 2022 10:49:46 GMT -6
So often with a 2 way the biggest problem is you have that crossover and 2 different drivers summing right in the middle of the mid / vocal range. 3 ways can cure this but then you have 2 crossover points doing the same thing above and below the midrange. For most 3 ways you need space, they really dont jell the 3 drivers well if you are to close.
As For NS10’s they are really a terrible mid speaker, so many justify it because there is a bump in the mids, but that just means more of the mid distortion.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 18, 2022 12:47:33 GMT -6
They are custom made by a local who's been making speakers as a hobby since he was a kid. It's a sealed 8" woofer an 8" ribbon mid and 2" ribbon tweeter. The mid and high are a dipole design, meaning they are just on baffle, but there's no cabinet around them. They are controlled by a Dayton Audio DSP box (which may get swapped) and Tri-amped. Pics HERE |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2022 12:50:37 GMT -6
Interesting: thx!
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Post by ericn on Nov 18, 2022 12:52:04 GMT -6
As for headphones they really always show where they compromised. A full range transducer always shows a lot of break up because of the excursion needed for decent LF. Many designers will argue the advantage in a headphone is because of the drivers proximity to the ear and low power needed you don’t need that much excursion, but the guys who really know what they are doing look at the ratio of excursion vs driver size.
If you want the best midrange in Headphones or speakers in general go try some electrostatics. STAX is king and for good reason, the Koss ( conflict alert they were a client) can sound great but have a reputation for noise and crap build quality. The Monoprice are a nice buy for the $ but their knock off of the STAX amp sucks, you build an adapter buy a STAX amp and your almost at STAX prices.
Planers are probably the next best overall for the $, more LF than ESL but in general all planers have a point where the LF just goes flabby at a certain freq and SPL.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 18, 2022 13:42:56 GMT -6
The really cool thing is that the woofer he chose plays fairly high for a woofer (700hz might have been the number he mentioned) and the ribbon mid plays low the same place so the crosover is pretty seamless. It's crossovers that are often the issue for me as a listener and user. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2022 14:14:55 GMT -6
And their phase issues !
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Post by ericn on Nov 18, 2022 14:39:57 GMT -6
Since he is using DSP, most DSP crossover’s have the option for no crossover induced phase issues. While it has to do with phase on a DSP based system and non DSP based for that matter a bigger issue is a summation of 2 different drivers, it has as much to do with distortion speed and radiating pattern even if it manifests mainly as phase. The best way I can tell you what I’m talking about is if you take to completely different speakers say a NS10m and a ProAc, stack them, level match them and send the exact same single through them and listen to how dissimilar it sounds to either. It’s the comb filtering of 2 different speakers you are trying to sum. Same thing in the octaves around the crossover points. |
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