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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 3, 2022 18:55:54 GMT -6
I have a Serrano 87 as my go to vocal mic. Certainly use other mics depending on the vocalist. I tend to record psych folk, indie rock, americana type bands for the most part.
Would a TF47 (47 'vibe') be a good compliment to the 87 sound? Hoping it could be versatile beyond vocals as well.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 3, 2022 23:17:51 GMT -6
My memory of the TF47 is a little hazy, since I tried/sang through it at the last Winter NAMM of 2020. I remember it sounded very nice though.
But my faves of the Alchemy line, were the Copperhead and the TF51. That edged the TF47 IMHO.
But having said that...
For a little le$$, I did "fall in love" with the Beesneez BU67. (A planned acquisition for 2023)
The objectively "best" vocal condenser mic I have, is the Soundelux U195 (now UA 187). Effectively a U87 derivative and I mean that in a positive sense.
FWIW I think the BU67 is more than enough "different", from my U195.
I also like the UT and Heiserman 47 FET styles a lot. Having the U195 already, did soften the urge to add another non-Tube condenser though.
But the BU67 nailed a certain Ballad tone, I was wondering if I could achieve. (Ala the old Ricky Nelson records)
My short list for an Vintage 87 style is Beesneez 87/UT 87 Twin/Serrano BTW.
Since I'm "just a singer" the cardiod BU87, is fine and dandy. Plus I loved the mid-range tone of it, on the clips I heard.* Chris *I have access to using a Vintage 87, so that kept these choices moot.
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Post by hadaja on Nov 4, 2022 0:59:06 GMT -6
TF47 you should just buy one and then tell us what its like Or You could get Chad Kelly to build you from Signal Art Electronic. I had one of his 47 and the heiserman k47tube and the difference was not a lot. Actually i like to 408 circuit of Chads as it added a little extra weight where as the ef800 circuit of the heisermen was a very airy. Both are a winner.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 4, 2022 4:46:46 GMT -6
I think a 47 is a nice compliment to the 87. 87 is a wonderful solid state mic and the 47 is a classic tube mic. Sonically, the U87 sits somewhere in the middle. Not overly present and not overly warm. The 47 sits in the overly warm side. For my money though, I’d look at a Pearlman TM-1 or others a over TF47. For a budget the Warm WA47 is very nice and can be had for $600 used. You may even consider Stam’s SA47 if he has one in stock. I’ve just not been overly impressed by the cheaper Telefunken mics. My friend David Roof had one, and eventually upgraded it to the Wunder CM7G. It was a definite upgrade. Before he upgraded he made this video. You can hear the TF47 next to a U87ai. I think you can download the files too.
Oh, and the BU67 is a wonderful mic if you are looking for a U67 sound. Maybe a touch more mellow on the top, but really nice. 67s are a lot like an 87, but much more warm. Still, sonically they are in the middle.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 4, 2022 8:13:48 GMT -6
Yes! A bit mellower than a 67. That's why I generally would prefer M7 over K47. Chris
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2022 9:07:29 GMT -6
Honestly, I love many of then T-Funk microphones and have 3 of them (M80 M82 CU29) but the TF47 is not their finest hour. There are other alternatives as Vincent pointed out, and I would go with hadaja's advice and talk to our friend cdkelly about having a 47 or 48 made - if that's the price point you're sticking to. But, you state you want different enough to an 87 style microphone? Maybe shop for something truly different like something from the C12/251 lineage? Or a ribbon?
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2022 12:31:23 GMT -6
Honestly, I love many of then T-Funk microphones and have 3 of them (M80 M82 CU29) but the TF47 is not their finest hour. There are other alternatives as Vincent pointed out, and I would go with hadaja 's advice and talk to our friend cdkelly about having a 47 or 48 made - if that's the price point you're sticking to. But, you state you want different enough to an 87 style microphone? Maybe shop for something truly different like something from the C12/251 lineage? Or a ribbon? Yeah the inexpensive Tfunk condensers just don't impress like the Serrano 87. If I wanted another flavor of LDC in the TF47 price range I would be thinking FET, used Gefell UM70, New Hieserman 47fet or 019, Sony C80 100 0r used C48. Used Beyer 834 or as Ward said a nice ribbon. Its all about the capsule and the Tfunk and most other tube mics at that price just don't bring it.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 12:59:27 GMT -6
Thanks guys, what piqued my interest is theres a TF47 out there for $1199... Solid price. Also I (maybe naively) feel like reselling a T Funk is easier with the brand recognition than some of the other options presented if I need to move on.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 4, 2022 13:33:57 GMT -6
Yep, agreed with all of the above. It's not that the TF47 is a terrible mic or anything, it's just that if I wanted a 47, it wouldn't be my first choice. Lots of other options I'd consider these days.
$1199 is a great price for sure, but I'd much rather grab the Golden Age GA47 for not much more. Even a Peluso seems like a better option to me, and you could probably swing a used one for the same kind of money. I'd also take the Warm over the Tele, personally.
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2022 13:36:27 GMT -6
Thanks guys, what piqued my interest is theres a TF47 out there for $1199... Solid price. Also I (maybe naively) feel like reselling a T Funk is easier with the brand recognition than some of the other options presented if I need to move on. In most cases I would agree with you, but Telefunken really screwed the pooch with their original affordable line being High priced Chinese clones with no real upgrades. Yeah it was 20 years ago but it turned off a lot of people.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 4, 2022 14:11:53 GMT -6
As Vincent mentioned... You could also consider a used Warm WA-47. Then get it hot rodded by Chad. And put some change in your pocket. Also-got a classic dynamic yet? 441/M88/RE20 etc. Chris P.S. There's also the Advanced Audio... AA49/AA67SE/CM800T's.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 14:22:07 GMT -6
Also-got a classic dynamic yet? 441/M88/RE20 etc. Chris Yeah, I have an RE-16, RE-11, EV 635, RE320, handful of others
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 14:28:53 GMT -6
Ok... About to pull the trigger on a Telefunken TF39. By many accounts seems to be the best of the Alchemy lineup. Dealer has a demo model they can sell for 1000. I've wanted a Telefunken ever since my band used a real Telefunken u47 years ago. I know I know. Its not the same thing!
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 4, 2022 14:36:41 GMT -6
Ok... About to pull the trigger on a Telefunken TF39. By many accounts seems to be the best of the Alchemy lineup. Dealer has a demo model they can sell for 1000. I've wanted a Telefunken ever since my band used a real Telefunken u47 years ago. I know I know. Its not the same thing! Sometimes you gotta follow your heart, man. Still, I would’ve had cdkelly make me one at that price
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2022 14:39:09 GMT -6
Ok... About to pull the trigger on a Telefunken TF39. By many accounts seems to be the best of the Alchemy lineup. Dealer has a demo model they can sell for 1000. I've wanted a Telefunken ever since my band used a real Telefunken u47 years ago. I know I know. Its not the same thing! Man I went on EBay trying to find a cheap dynamic Telefunken mic that was included with a cheap tape deck but couldn’t find any. There went a brilliant joke down the Tubes.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 4, 2022 14:41:53 GMT -6
Assuming it's mint... Killer deal on the Multi-Pattern Copperhead!
IMHO that's an excellent choice. Chris
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 14:48:46 GMT -6
Ok... About to pull the trigger on a Telefunken TF39. By many accounts seems to be the best of the Alchemy lineup. Dealer has a demo model they can sell for 1000. I've wanted a Telefunken ever since my band used a real Telefunken u47 years ago. I know I know. Its not the same thing! Man I went on EBay trying to find a cheap dynamic Telefunken mic that was included with a cheap tape deck but couldn’t find any. There went a brilliant joke down the Tubes. Haha yeah I could buy like 10 and advertise 'locker full of vintage Telefunken mics'.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 4, 2022 14:50:47 GMT -6
Ok... About to pull the trigger on a Telefunken TF39. By many accounts seems to be the best of the Alchemy lineup. Dealer has a demo model they can sell for 1000. I've wanted a Telefunken ever since my band used a real Telefunken u47 years ago. I know I know. Its not the same thing! I hear ya.
I've gone through this, too, but for me it was Neumann instead of Telefunken. Several years back my dream mic was an M149 — fell in love with it after tracking an entire album with one. Tried several cheaper Neumanns hoping to get in the ballpark, and sadly, nothing came close. It was a painful 3 or 4 years trying all sorts of stuff before I eventually caved and bought the real deal.
These days, I don't really feel any sort of brand loyalty. Whatever sounds good is what wins. I've since sold the M149 and bought an Upton, and I prefer it in pretty much every way possible.
Not trying to dissuade you from getting the TF39, as I know a lot of people really love that one (a good producer friend of mine swears by his original Copperhead). But if I were looking for a nice contrast to the Serrano, I'm not sure the TF39 would be the ticket. A 47 or 251 or a high end ribbon would probably give you more sonic variety.
Just my 2c. Either way, the TF39 is a solid piece of kit — go with your gut and take all this with a grain of salt!
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 14:52:50 GMT -6
Sometimes you gotta follow your heart, man. Still, I would’ve had cdkelly make me one at that price Chad can build a 47 style for $1000??
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 4, 2022 14:56:55 GMT -6
Sometimes you gotta follow your heart, man. Still, I would’ve had cdkelly make me one at that price Chad can build a 47 style for $1000?? Oh, I think Chad’s is a little more than that, but worth the extra couple hundred or so.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 4, 2022 14:59:20 GMT -6
IMHO the Copperhead is a hybrid 47-ish mic, along with a strong sonic imprint. WAY different than an 87.
IIRC Fletcher, who helped develop it... Preferred it generally on Male voice.
At $1K I think you'd at least be able to sell it for that. (Maybe a little more) Chris
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 15:05:38 GMT -6
Chad can build a 47 style for $1000?? Oh, I think Chad’s is a little more than that, but worth the extra couple hundred or so. Looks like around 2000
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -6
IMHO the Copperhead is a hybrid 47-ish mic, along with a strong sonic imprint. WAY different than an 87. IIRC Fletcher, who helped develop it... Preferred it generally on Male voice. At $1K I think you'd at least be able to sell it for that. (Maybe a little more) Chris Yes, especially the TF39 multipattern version. Also has a new US made power supply compared to the original Copperhead.
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2022 15:49:39 GMT -6
Sometimes you gotta follow your heart, man. Still, I would’ve had cdkelly make me one at that price Chad can build a 47 style for $1000?? Advantage is you can decide on the big expensive parts, Capsule Transformer, probably even body and Tube. You could start with a better Quality Chinese K47 and upgrade latter same with transformer. If you really wanted to you could find an old badge.
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2022 15:51:42 GMT -6
Man I went on EBay trying to find a cheap dynamic Telefunken mic that was included with a cheap tape deck but couldn’t find any. There went a brilliant joke down the Tubes. Haha yeah I could buy like 10 and advertise 'locker full of vintage Telefunken mics'. Yeah, I have seen guys with a bunch of them brag about their collection of vintage Telefunken, like the guy who buys the little SSL six and talks like he has 4K.
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