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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 1, 2022 14:47:52 GMT -6
Region gain, nice!
NEW IN LOGIC PRO 10.7.5
New features and enhancements
• The number of Round Robins available in Autosampler has been increased from 8 to 32.
• Smart Tempo detection has been improved.
• There are new key commands in the Smart Tempo Editor, including Toggle Track/Master View, Cycle Through Routing Destination Views and Cycle Through Subviews.
• When dragging plug-ins into category folders in the Plug-in Manager, there is now visual feedback to show folders which already contain the plug-in.
• Logic now offers a Region Gain tool.
• The Score in Logic now supports the SMuFL font Petaluma.
• When the Command key is assigned to the Marquee tool, clicking a region while pressing Command + Option + Shift adds the range of the region to an existing Marquee selection.
• There is a new key command called Remove Crossfades.
• The Change Length command now support non-integer values.
• Transients can now be viewed in the Smart Tempo Editor.
• There is now a Search Patch key command that opens the Patch area of the Sound Library and places the focus into the Search field.
• Individual Track Zoom can now be applied to a selection of multiple tracks.
• There is a new key command Select Channel Strips with Same Panner Type.
• Cycle range can now be adjusted in the Smart Tempo Editor ruler.
• Logic Pro now supports Ableton Link.
• Stomp boxes from the Pedalboard plug-in are now available as individual plug-ins.
• Logic can now record MIDI FX plug-in output as MIDI to the tracks area from any point in a chain of MIDI FX plug-ins.
• The Smart Tempo Editor now provides a method for giving the analysis algorithm hints regarding the location of beats in a region.
• The Dolby Atmos plug-in can now load Personalized Spatial Audio profiles created by iPhones with iOS 16 and a TrueDepth camera for an optimized Spatial Audio experience with headphones.
• Logic now includes new hard-hitting Stereo Output track presets specially designed for hip-hop production.
• Logic Pro now supports 32-bit floating point audio files natively.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 1, 2022 17:36:00 GMT -6
nice
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 1, 2022 17:42:47 GMT -6
Agreed, the gain stage is cool, its in the tool menu left or right click, option click reverts back to original gain.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 1, 2022 18:52:23 GMT -6
Region gain, nice! NEW IN LOGIC PRO 10.7.5 New features and enhancements [...] • Logic Pro now supports 32-bit floating point audio files natively. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Post by plinker on Nov 1, 2022 19:10:23 GMT -6
Region gain, nice! NEW IN LOGIC PRO 10.7.5 New features and enhancements [...] • Logic Pro now supports 32-bit floating point audio files natively. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Indeed -- now we just need to get the price of the ULN/LIO8 mk4 upgrade down
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Post by sirthought on Nov 1, 2022 19:17:38 GMT -6
I'm a bit confused about the newly touted Track Stacks, which have been around for some time now. They just say they can nest tracks for organizing. I don't see any different explanation in the feature's window. What all has changed?
I do see, however, that I can now take a group of VCA faders and put them in a stack, effectively creating a VCAs Master control. That's something I've done in PT for ages, but it was not available in Logic to my knowledge. So...good progress for those end-of-mixing volume tweaks.
I am still really wanting them to add the option to save I/O labeling/routing with a project, or just as a separate file that could be loaded in on demand. This global-only option is for the birds.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 1, 2022 19:19:27 GMT -6
I'm not that smart. Why is the 32-bit audio file needed? Who can hear that range?
I know there are interfaces touting it these days, but I never understood why it was useful.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 1, 2022 20:07:18 GMT -6
I'm not that smart. Why is the 32-bit audio file needed? Who can hear that range? I know there are interfaces touting it these days, but I never understood why it was useful. A couple of important points as to why, but in terms of Logic finally directly supporting 32-bit float files, the first and most important to me is that I have a couple of audio recorders where I record in 32-bit float, and I've always had to use a different program to edit them, b/c Logic couldn't do it. Now it can! And I'm a lot faster in Logic than anything else at this point. But in regards to why someone might choose to record in 32-bit float (and there aren't many audio interfaces that can do this, it's mostly external recorders), it essentially removes the possibility of maxing out your dynamic range. You basically are not going to be able to clip your converter on the way in. Doug will point out that you may still be able to clip the analog stage somewhere ahead of the converter, and he's right, of course, but as long as you don't do something stupid ahead of the converter, you essentially do not have to worry about your recording level. The Zoom F6, for example, does not even allow you to set your recording level if you are in 32-bit float record mode. You just arm the tracks and hit record. I've found that feature to work far, far, far better than I would've thought before trying it out. (Other recorders, like the excellent Sound Devices MixPre II series, do still allow you to set gain level, even in 32-bit float mode.) Curtis Judd has several excellent YouTube videos about the technology. If you search YT for "Curtis Judd 32 bit float", you'll find several videos. Curtis is a sound-for-picture guy, recording mostly dialogue and wild sound for video productions and filmmakers, but much of what he says is applicable for general audio capture, as well. I suspect it will be quite some time before we see widespread use of this type of thing in music studio recording, but for location sound, it can be an absolute godsend. And for something like capturing audio on set, it's amazing. If you're recording SFX like engines revving or guns firing, it can be challenging to get the levels right in 24-bit fixed. Or in nature recording, especially like a thunderstorm, you could have an otherwise great recording distort and clip on a particularly loud thunderclap. Which is why Sound Devices recorders have had (optional) limiters on the inputs for years: as a safety feature. But if you're recording in 32-bit float, you just don't have to worry about it (assuming you don't clip your mic's input or the preamp's input, of course). Limiters are not necessary - they have more of a sound than recording in 32-bit float. Even if the audio looks clipped in your audio editor, it's actually not, because there is soooooooo much headroom. You can just gain it down and there's no distortion. No real penalty. Of course, certain things we all know to be true are still true in a 32-bit float capture system: converters sound different at different levels, for instance, but in practical terms, worries about input levels are nonexistent.
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Post by plinker on Nov 1, 2022 20:35:33 GMT -6
Great explanation Mark! Thanks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 2, 2022 4:32:21 GMT -6
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Post by theshea on Nov 2, 2022 7:01:14 GMT -6
clip gain/region did already exist in logic for some time. select a region, in the inspector up on the left click on gain and done. just a few clicks more but doable.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 2, 2022 23:26:33 GMT -6
Just learned that the menu item that used to be called Logic Pro > Preferences is now Logic Pro > Settings.
I guess there are a lot of instances where software would use the term settings here, but I always thought there was a distinction between what are generally global preferences and project specific settings. It just makes things confusing for people who have been doing things forever in Logic and seeking out Preferences.
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Post by deif on Nov 3, 2022 5:44:36 GMT -6
clip gain/region did already exist in logic for some time. select a region, in the inspector up on the left click on gain and done. just a few clicks more but doable. Of course, but the gain tool is a much faster workflow and a much requested feature. Just learned that the menu item that used to be called Logic Pro > Preferences is now Logic Pro > Settings. I guess there are a lot of instances where software would use the term settings here, but I always thought there was a distinction between what are generally global preferences and project specific settings. It just makes things confusing for people who have been doing things forever in Logic and seeking out Preferences. I’m not a fan of this change either.
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Post by 79sg on Nov 3, 2022 7:00:15 GMT -6
Not a fan of the settings change either. It is my understanding there are still global preferences and the new settings is applicable to the particular session you are working in. Mentioned here if my memory is correct:
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Post by deif on Nov 3, 2022 8:20:01 GMT -6
here's a quick video on the new Gain Tool. I wish you could hear the changes in real time but would probably require a re-write of the audio engine.
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Post by stratboy on Nov 3, 2022 10:23:18 GMT -6
Any mention of being able to rearrange channels/auxs in the mixer and have them follow in the tracks view? That’s about the only thing that still bothers me in Logic these days. Just like when I used PT, I do most of my work in tracks, but I can ‘see’ signal flow better in mixer. Glad they implemented region gain!
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Post by theshea on Nov 3, 2022 12:56:06 GMT -6
Any mention of being able to rearrange channels/auxs in the mixer and have them follow in the tracks view? That’s about the only thing that still bothers me in Logic these days. Just like when I used PT, I do most of my work in tracks, but I can ‘see’ signal flow better in mixer. Glad they implemented region gain! click on READ on the bus/aux in the arrangement. then the bus/aux appears in the arrangement window and you can re-order it how you want. de-click READ. the new order should be duplicated also in the mixer window.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 3, 2022 13:56:34 GMT -6
Region gain is still easier in PT with just being able to hover and grab a control in a certain area of the region, but I guess if I can memorize the dang key command this will be faster.
The inspector windows are nice for some things, but it is a bit of a visual disconnect to have to move your eyes away from the tracks area so frequently. If you are working on a lot of adjustments on multiple tracks, that's a lot of clicking and moving back and forth with your eyes' focus. Hopefully this is an improvement.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 3, 2022 14:10:10 GMT -6
Any mention of being able to rearrange channels/auxs in the mixer and have them follow in the tracks view? That’s about the only thing that still bothers me in Logic these days. Just like when I used PT, I do most of my work in tracks, but I can ‘see’ signal flow better in mixer. Glad they implemented region gain! No. They still don't allow you to rearrange channels in the mixer view. It's annoying for sure. You probably know this, but in case you don't, on Aux channels you hit Control + T to make it a track that's visible on the arrangement view. And it's location will jump to be immediately after whatever was the last channel you had selected prior. I pretty much want every Aux, VCA, and audio track to be visible in the arrangement window, so I dislike that I have to take extra steps to make that happen. I'd rather have to take the extra steps to have to hide something than show it. Now that you can nest your Track Stacks more easily I may switch up my templates to employ these more often. I already use VCAs just for fine adjustments at the end and stem prints. And a summing track stack is just like having a group Aux bus. Just nesting those together might save me time scrolling as much. We'll see how I adjust to the workflow.
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Post by M57 on Nov 6, 2022 8:09:31 GMT -6
Requires 12.3 or later
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 6, 2022 13:08:31 GMT -6
When you rearrange tracks in the regions, the mixer mirrors those changes?
I use two monitors, and like protools, have the mixer in one, the region view in the other.
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