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Post by drbill on Oct 12, 2022 13:00:02 GMT -6
Yup. It was announced today. Another death blow to writers / publishers. I'm not sure how they can even do this without a consensus from their writers / publishers - but they did. Wall Street must have been licking their chops for a long time now.
Will ASCAP be the last holdout in the US? SESAC and now BMI. For profit of the owners - not the writers.....
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Post by EmRR on Oct 12, 2022 21:22:37 GMT -6
Holy shit seems appropriate.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 13, 2022 6:32:24 GMT -6
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Post by 79sg on Oct 18, 2022 13:09:58 GMT -6
EVERY industry has been or will be financialized until there is nothing left. This is what the final stages look like as a system gets ready to collapse. But fear not, the banks will make sure they get us into a war before it’s over. Why? It’s what they do and have always done.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 20, 2022 12:37:35 GMT -6
I'm on the fence about this one. I think the reality is that US PRO's are in competition with each other and their strength depends on their share of the market (which is us). They keep track of their competitor's rates and seem to adjust as needed to stay competitive. Hard to imagine that one of them would decrease their payouts dramatically if the other two are increasing or holding steady.
We push for more advanced performance tracking, more transparent and accurate payouts, more individual customer service attention, more user-friendly catalog registration and organization, etc. Each one of those represents a significant cost and at this point, for BMI anyway, probably requires a massive overhaul of their entire antiquated system. At the same time we demand higher rates. Not sure how they can accomplish both at the same time operating as a non-profit. Ever the optimist, I can see a scenario where they fund new tech and systems via investor money and provide us with at least a few of the things we've been asking for.
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Post by drbill on Oct 20, 2022 18:32:37 GMT -6
If they cut the dead weight that is hanging on them that would be a start. I couldn't operate a business like they do....
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 21, 2022 6:17:39 GMT -6
If they cut the dead weight that is hanging on them that would be a start. I couldn't operate a business like they do.... Sounds like they had the same realization
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2022 9:05:32 GMT -6
If they cut the dead weight that is hanging on them that would be a start. I couldn't operate a business like they do.... Sounds like they had the same realization It wouldn't take going for profit to make things better. It would only take a decided decision to put their affiliates first and foremost. Going for profit is the same direction they have been headed only stronger IMO. Time will tell.
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Post by keymod on Oct 21, 2022 10:08:06 GMT -6
If they cut the dead weight that is hanging on them that would be a start. I couldn't operate a business like they do.... Only the govt. gets away with that
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 21, 2022 10:38:23 GMT -6
Sounds like they had the same realization It wouldn't take going for profit to make things better. It would only take a decided decision to put their affiliates first and foremost. Going for profit is the same direction they have been headed only stronger IMO. Time will tell. I know we tend to have different feelings about the BMI experience, but in my experience they are good folks with good intentions running a very old system in a very modern and rapidly evolving media environment. There are a gazillion media outlets, a gazillion writers and publishers, and many broadcasters are still using interns to fill out cue sheets by hand, if at all. Not sure how a PRO is supposed to solve all of the problems posed by the situation, and implement new tech, AND pay us more per performance at the same time. It's not for the faint of heart and I'm glad they do what they do, as frustrating as it can be sometimes.
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2022 11:23:46 GMT -6
I think if they spent less time preparing for SXSW and Aspen Film festivals and such, and hire a receptionist who is actually a people person, actually make an effort to return communications - be it phone messages or emails, and instead of promoting "BMI" as an entity in and of itself - start making smart contracts and putting money in the hands of those that have contracted with them.......we'd be a world ahead. Wasn't that their mandate? Am I their servant - or do they work for me? They are spending our money promoting themselves. Maybe that's a "for profit" mentality and where they obviously want to go. When I signed up, they were working on my behalf. Not anymore. BMI 20 years ago was worlds ahead of where they have ended up in 2022. It's a leadership problem - not a non/for profit problem. At least that's my perspective.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 21, 2022 14:10:34 GMT -6
If presence at major industry events is a sign of poor leadership, I don't think you'd be thrilled with any PRO. Not sure what their event budget is but I'd bet cutting it out would do more harm than good.
That is their mandate and I think they take it seriously. I just read that BMI took on 100,000 new writers in the last year alone. We know that only a handful of those will generate any meaningful royalty revenue, but they all want to be able to call and speak directly to someone who can help register their song or track down their nonexistent royalty money. Not sure how that could be accommodated.
So, yeah, they aren't the same as they were 20 years ago because their workload increases exponentially with each passing year, much faster than the revenue does. And, again, they are running a system that is not up to the task.
Also, they only have so much leverage to negotiate smart contracts when facing an Epidemic of performance royalty-free competition.
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2022 15:14:37 GMT -6
Nevermind.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 21, 2022 16:24:41 GMT -6
If presence at major industry events is a sign of poor leadership, I don't think you'd be thrilled with any PRO. If it were really just a matter of running things better, somebody would present a decent alternative. I'm not sure they could accomplish it on just 100 million dollars a year. That tells us something about the magnitude of the challenge. *edited, respectfully, to remove the comment that you pulled.
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2022 18:57:21 GMT -6
Ultimately time will tell. They are going to have to double or triple their incoming monies to keep their associates at status quo and still bring in enough for Goldman-Sachs. Let's see how that plays out. Might have been nice to have shared the game plan, cause the way they have described things in the past - the money is getting smaller - not bigger.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 21, 2022 20:14:29 GMT -6
BMI has always been owned by broadcasters. ASCAP is a union, quiet as that's kept.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Oct 22, 2022 8:38:50 GMT -6
Ultimately time will tell. They are going to have to double or triple their incoming monies to keep their associates at status quo and still bring in enough for Goldman-Sachs. Let's see how that plays out. Might have been nice to have shared the game plan, cause the way they have described things in the past - the money is getting smaller - not bigger. Not sure about the other two, but BMI has been increasing revenue every year while keeping around 100 million for themselves (except for 2021 when they distributed all but about 30 million, presumably to help affiliates through the pandemic). Time will definitely tell. SESAC provides something of an example of how a for-profit BMI might function. Their rates aren't dropping as far as I'm aware, even after Blackstone bought them. Again, the PRO's know that they have to stay competitive with each other so it's unlikely in any scenario that one PRO will pull the rug out for their affiliates. It's counterintuitive to think they would. How else might this affect us? Well, SESAC actually dropped writers and is selective about who they bring on. They are very intentional about it and they seem to treat their roster like an investment portfolio, rebalancing as they see fit. I wouldn't be surprised if BMI made a similar move. They have more affiliates than any other PRO by far...maybe they'll trim the writer fat in addition to the internal layoffs, etc. We'll see.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 22, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -6
SESAC will drop you for inactivity, is that pruning the others don’t do?
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Post by drbill on Oct 22, 2022 16:03:28 GMT -6
SESAC will drop you for inactivity, is that pruning the others don’t do? BMI has been trying their best to get people (esp those just starting out) to sign up for at least a decade. I'd hazard to guess that most of them have virtually no activity to speak of. I know lots of BMI musicians that don't even get a statement (no placements). So if they take the SESAC approach, they will heavily thin the roster.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 24, 2022 11:47:01 GMT -6
I understand ASCAP was originally very very picky.
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Post by donr on Mar 3, 2023 15:20:09 GMT -6
I've been ASCAP for 50 years. Never thought to change, although I'd heard occasionally BMI payed better. In the digital age, with the blurring of what is performance and what has now replaced "sales," much of what might be called performance earnings has bypassed PRO's and goes directly to publishers and recording rights holders.
I'm glad PRO's exist. I don't quite understand how a profit motive would incentivize a PRO one way or another. Just attract more clients that earn revenue? Shake down more restaurants, bars and retail stores?
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Post by yotonic on Mar 3, 2023 17:37:23 GMT -6
Musicians are the most exploited class. From having no real ownership over their own intellectual property to be scammed by managers and so called performing rights organizations. At some point the script will flip and some rich guy will lead a once splintered army of individual artists against the machine and choke the corporate class dry of the "product" they need to maintain their trafficking businesses.
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Post by ericn on Mar 16, 2023 17:11:08 GMT -6
I think if they spent less time preparing for SXSW and Aspen Film festivals and such, and hire a receptionist who is actually a people person, actually make an effort to return communications - be it phone messages or emails, and instead of promoting "BMI" as an entity in and of itself - start making smart contracts and putting money in the hands of those that have contracted with them.......we'd be a world ahead. Wasn't that their mandate? Am I their servant - or do they work for me? They are spending our money promoting themselves. Maybe that's a "for profit" mentality and where they obviously want to go. When I signed up, they were working on my behalf. Not anymore. BMI 20 years ago was worlds ahead of where they have ended up in 2022. It's a leadership problem - not a non/for profit problem. At least that's my perspective. Well if profitability and at some point going public is the long term plan, in theory you should get what you want, but that's theory. Shall watch from the sidelines and hope for the best.
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