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Post by thehightenor on Sept 15, 2022 14:09:19 GMT -6
Hi guys,
I'm thinking about a way of recording guitars later in the evening.
During the day I can use my amps and cabs with mics, but sometimes I only have evenings free
and I'd like to be able to track guitar with the evening as an option.
I've dismissed the UA Ox Box as it's too pre-processed and compressed for my taste.
I'm a bit confused by the difference between the Suhr Reactive Load and the IR version.
To my limited knowledge, I'm imagining the IR version allows you to monitor in real time as
opposed to the non IR version which would require you to have your DAW run the IR and that would
mean latency for real time tracking.
The Boss TAE also looks good to me as that can use IR's as has a lot of other options too.
Which is the best unit to get out of the above three?
Are there other better options?
I'm not on a budget as such.
Thanks
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 15, 2022 14:31:35 GMT -6
I have had both. You'll need an IR loader for the RL, versus the RL IR has the IR loader built in, which is super convenient. I was using the original Suhr RL, running it into my Iridium with the cab side disabled, using it as an IR loader. Worked well, but in the end, it was just another thing to plug in, and really another AD/DA conversion stage. Having both in one box is ideal for me. Also, I recently bought a York cab pack and uploaded it to the Suhr. Wowzers! Night and day difference with the stock cabs.
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Post by bikescene on Sept 15, 2022 16:07:04 GMT -6
I bought the regular version, and did so before the IR version came out. The IR version seems superior if budget is not an issue.
I’m not bothered by monitoring IRs through my DAW, although that seems to irk some. I like working with the an IR plugin because I can browse through my large library of IRs as a virtual way of moving mics to find an inspiring sound for the moment. I think I’d find the 16 IR slots a bit limiting. I also like monitoring with longer IRs (500ms). The Suhr truncates them to ~40ms, which contains the most useful information.
The regular version’s balanced line out had a fairly high output impedance, so that feature might not be optimal to use into an interface with a lower input impedance. It looks like they sacked the balanced output in the IR version.
The headphone out and aux in on the IR version are a nice touch for late night playing without hooking up to a DAW.
I do like that the regular version is passive. I don’t like having to connect extra power adapters if I’m moving the unit around.
I’ve shot IRs of my own cabs to silently learn about mic position with different guitar and amp combinations. The Suhr Reactive Load’s made it possible to tame my Plexi clone down to headphone levels.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 15, 2022 16:37:21 GMT -6
I bought the regular version, and did so before the IR version came out. The IR version seems superior if budget is not an issue. I’m not bothered by monitoring IRs through my DAW, although that seems to irk some. I like working with the an IR plugin because I can browse through my large library of IRs as a virtual way of moving mics to find an inspiring sound for the moment. I think I’d find the 16 IR slots a bit limiting. I also like monitoring with longer IRs (500ms). The Suhr truncates them to ~40ms, which contains the most useful information. The regular version’s balanced line out had a fairly high output impedance, so that feature might not be optimal to use into an interface with a lower input impedance. It looks like they sacked the balanced output in the IR version. The headphone out and aux in on the IR version are a nice touch for late night playing without hooking up to a DAW. I do like that the regular version is passive. I don’t like having to connect extra power adapters if I’m moving the unit around. I’ve shot IRs of my own cabs to silently learn about mic position with different guitar and amp combinations. The Suhr Reactive Load’s made it possible to tame my Plexi clone down to headphone levels. The IR length is something I've wanted to compare. I have some longer IR's (500ms) for the Iridium. I want to load the same IR in the Suhr and compare them. I haven't set up the test yet. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 15, 2022 16:39:41 GMT -6
I’d get the Reactive Load IR version. I have the non-IR and I really love it. If I didn’t already have an Iridium (which I monitor IRs post Suhr RL with), I’d get the IR version.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 16, 2022 1:29:34 GMT -6
I’d get the Reactive Load IR version. I have the non-IR and I really love it. If I didn’t already have an Iridium (which I monitor IRs post Suhr RL with), I’d get the IR version. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Hi ragan, Do you just record the output as is, or do you only monitor the IR and record the DI output and add an IR in post? I’m thinking surely I’m best to just commit as I track and should just record the IR output of the Suhr RL so that the IR of choice is baked into the signal, especially if I’m tracking a lot of layers. Have you tried the Boss TAE? It’s meant to have a really great variable reactive load I can adjust according to which amp I’m using. Thanks for your thoughts |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 16, 2022 4:39:11 GMT -6
I’d get the Reactive Load IR version. I have the non-IR and I really love it. If I didn’t already have an Iridium (which I monitor IRs post Suhr RL with), I’d get the IR version. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Hi ragan, Do you just record the output as is, or do you only monitor the IR and record the DI output and add an IR in post? I’m thinking surely I’m best to just commit as I track and should just record the IR output of the Suhr RL so that the IR of choice is baked into the signal, especially if I’m tracking a lot of layers. Have you tried the Boss TAE? It’s meant to have a really great variable reactive load I can adjust according to which amp I’m using. Thanks for your thoughts What I’ve found with IR choices, especially once you start buying some really good ones like York, Hislop, OwnHammer, etc. is option overload. You get a TON of choices, even for a single cab. It’s bonkers. Easy to get analysis paralysis. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 16, 2022 10:19:06 GMT -6
I’d get the Reactive Load IR version. I have the non-IR and I really love it. If I didn’t already have an Iridium (which I monitor IRs post Suhr RL with), I’d get the IR version. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Hi ragan, Do you just record the output as is, or do you only monitor the IR and record the DI output and add an IR in post? I’m thinking surely I’m best to just commit as I track and should just record the IR output of the Suhr RL so that the IR of choice is baked into the signal, especially if I’m tracking a lot of layers. Have you tried the Boss TAE? It’s meant to have a really great variable reactive load I can adjust according to which amp I’m using. Thanks for your thoughts I record the raw Suhr RL output. I very much like to be able to mess with the IRs later. I use almost exclusively Ownhammer, they just sound the best to me. I usually dup the Suhr direct channel and then have two tracks with IRs on them. So I’ll have say a 421 and a 414 or whatever and I’ll just mix/blend them like I would when I’ve mic’d the amp. |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 16, 2022 11:22:46 GMT -6
Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Hi ragan, Do you just record the output as is, or do you only monitor the IR and record the DI output and add an IR in post? I’m thinking surely I’m best to just commit as I track and should just record the IR output of the Suhr RL so that the IR of choice is baked into the signal, especially if I’m tracking a lot of layers. Have you tried the Boss TAE? It’s meant to have a really great variable reactive load I can adjust according to which amp I’m using. Thanks for your thoughts What I’ve found with IR choices, especially once you start buying some really good ones like York, Hislop, OwnHammer, etc. is option overload. You get a TON of choices, even for a single cab. It’s bonkers. Easy to get analysis paralysis. LOL .... I have option overload with every other aspect of my music making, so no worries throwing IR's in there too :-) |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 16, 2022 11:24:10 GMT -6
Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Hi ragan, Do you just record the output as is, or do you only monitor the IR and record the DI output and add an IR in post? I’m thinking surely I’m best to just commit as I track and should just record the IR output of the Suhr RL so that the IR of choice is baked into the signal, especially if I’m tracking a lot of layers. Have you tried the Boss TAE? It’s meant to have a really great variable reactive load I can adjust according to which amp I’m using. Thanks for your thoughts I record the raw Suhr RL output. I very much like to be able to mess with the IRs later. I use almost exclusively Ownhammer, they just sound the best to me. I usually dup the Suhr direct channel and then have two tracks with IRs on them. So I’ll have say a 421 and a 414 or whatever and I’ll just mix/blend them like I would when I’ve mic’d the amp. Thanks for that. |
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