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Post by jeromemason on Jun 3, 2014 23:57:14 GMT -6
I heard a rig a while back that was using a pair of V28's feeding into a pair of ML2's for the two mix, and it sounded great. I'm considering building the VP28's, but I don't have the time or cash atm to do the ML2's as well. Will the VP28's give me something similar to what he was getting? Just how much mojo does the ML2's add to the VP28's on the two mix?
Obviously I can always add the ML2's later, but I'm struggling to figure out which to build first, the ML2's or the VP28's. Knowing your gear like you know it, what would you do? Basically I want to use this as my make up stage after my summing mixer.
Thanks Jeff!
BTW, do you know when you will have complete kits in both units???
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Post by deehope on Jun 4, 2014 1:37:17 GMT -6
I'm not Jeff, but I've had both. By itself the vc528s weren't enough for me, when I used them on the 2buss I always had my adl600 in front of them. I always used the VP28's on 2buss by themselves. And remember the VP28's are amazing preamps on there own. I heard a rig a while back that was using a pair of V28's feeding into a pair of ML2's for the two mix, and it sounded great. I'm considering building the VP28's, but I don't have the time or cash atm to do the ML2's as well. Will the VP28's give me something similar to what he was getting? Just how much mojo does the ML2's add to the VP28's on the two mix? Obviously I can always add the ML2's later, but I'm struggling to figure out which to build first, the ML2's or the VP28's. Knowing your gear like you know it, what would you do? Basically I want to use this as my make up stage after my summing mixer. Thanks Jeff! BTW, do you know when you will have complete kits in both units??? |
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Post by lolo on Jun 4, 2014 3:54:26 GMT -6
I Have a pair of VP28's on the 2 Mix. Sounds great. Love them. running a pair of lilpeqr eq's into them. Love the result.
In the 1073 thread I saw this bad boy.
www.rascalaudio.net/
The Two-V dual pre.Would love to hear how this thing sound. if its up there with my Heritage 73jr, I might look into this. Then maybe add it to the 2 Bus chain. Extra mojo (yeah I said mojo) 
Edit: Looks like no line level on the Two-V
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2014 13:19:55 GMT -6
I have two 528's being put together right now...Love the filters. Gonna run out into the ML's then into the Burl...
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Post by scumbum on Jun 4, 2014 16:26:15 GMT -6
I have two 528's being put together right now...Love the filters. Gonna run out into the ML's then into the Burl... Holy Transformer Coloration Batman ! |
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Post by Ward on Jun 4, 2014 18:32:35 GMT -6
Transformers are beautiful for the most part. Love color!
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Post by rascalaudio on Jun 5, 2014 21:54:10 GMT -6
Edit: Looks like no line level on the Two-V
True, no intended 'line input' on the Two-V, but if the device you're feeding it with can drive a 1200 ohm load ("HZ" position on the impedance switch) then you can turn off the phantom and happily use the Two-V as a line preamp. Lots of gear (vintage and vintage-style gear for sure) is fine driving 600 ohm inputs (what many of those designs were intended to do), so the 1200 ohm position on the Two-V presents no problem. Be aware that the "LZ" position is 300-ohm, however, so that's a bigger load -- some gear might still drive it, but most of the time 1200 is probably what you want. Set the gain to lowest setting and ride the input level control. You can also back off the output a bit and hit the input a little harder for some greater saturation. And do make sure to turn off the phantom too, so you don't shove +48v up the backside of your line level device. Another idea, which would work with any preamp, for that matter, would be to make a couple of line-to-mic level pads that drop, say, -40dB or so, presents a 10k input impedance to the device feeding it and makes the output look like a 150 ohm microphone output. You could insert this between any line level output and microphone preamp input (still turning off the phantom power), and use the mic preamp for gain makeup. Helpful for those of us who like to to play with with our colors. The 10k input of this arrangement would work well for more modern line-level devices with electronically-balanced outputs that may not be happy playing with heavier loads. Joel |
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Post by sceneofdarhyme on Jun 6, 2014 8:55:21 GMT -6
Edit: Looks like no line level on the Two-V
Another idea, which would work with any preamp, for that matter, would be to make a couple of line-to-mic level pads that drop, say, -40dB or so, Would a A-Designs Atty do the trick? Do you have a distributor for Europe? |
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Post by winetree on Jun 6, 2014 15:15:56 GMT -6
Or you could use a direct box.
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Post by rascalaudio on Jun 6, 2014 17:01:24 GMT -6
Not sure how the Atty would work. It looks like a line-level pad, but not quite sure that it's doing what I was talking about (10k-ish load in, attenuation and 150R source out). I don't see any I/O impedance specs on it on their site. If it's just a variable line-level pad then it'd be redundant -- you might as well skip it and just go straight into the Two-V and use the "Input" control as your pad. I think DW Fearn's LP-1 and Shure's A15LA do what I was talking about, although they cost a lot more than just building pads yourself. The Atty might do the trick too -- just need to contact them to determine impedances. Joel Edit: I just posted a pad design that will work for this here. A little higher input impedance, but will get the job done nicely. Build a couple and use them with any preamp for when you want some added color. Enjoy. JC |
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 6, 2014 17:16:25 GMT -6
Two VP28's on the way..... can't wait to see how these babies treat my two buss. Thanks jcoutu1! I'm already getting the bench set up and iron hot. I havn't built anything in months and like GAS, it's an itch you've got to scratch just as much, maybe more! |
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Post by lolo on Jun 6, 2014 18:08:29 GMT -6
They are awesome Jerome
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